mador@gmx.net

i've been doing live drawing performances with improvising musicians for a while now, using a wacom tablet and corel painter - i choose brushes and color on the screen of my powerbook, and i paint the stage with a projector thats hooked up to the video out. it's a solid setup but using painter is a bit of a bastardisation.

now i wanna move on to using a real live performance rig. ideally i'd like to be able to change color/brushes with a midi keyboard.

also i imagine it'd be cool to have the line fade with time, so i can keep drawing over the same image without too much visual build-up.

my question: is jitter a viable option for achieving this?

my concerns are whether i can aproximate the smoothness of the painter brushes, and whether something like this is achievable with a reasonable amount of effort.

i'm a newbie to jitter but i have some experience in c++/openGL/mel script so i'm not scared of getting my hands dirty.

hi all,
i've been doing live drawing performances with improvising musicians for a while now, using a wacom tablet and corel painter - i choose brushes and color on the screen of my powerbook, and i paint the stage with a projector thats hooked up to the video out. it's a solid setup but using painter is a bit of a bastardisation.

i'm a newbie to jitter but i have some experience in c++/openGL/mel script so i'm not scared of getting my hands dirty. 

live-drawing-w-jitter-wacom-tablet

nesa, i couldn't find the patch jean francois mentionned in the archives. do you still have it?

i found a very basic wacom painting program at 

but i guess i'll try to build a patch from scratch so i know what's happening.

i found a very basic wacom painting program at http://itp.nyu.edu/~rd64/lipp/

i've seen someone do exactly what you're talking about, with a Wacom 

and live painting in some sort of OpenGL program, with colored lines 

fading and swirling. It also reminded me (a lot) of Golan Levin's 

Subtonic Lounge in New York city sometime a couple of weeks ago, but I 

couldn't find out his name. Sorry to be vague, but if you find out who 

it was I'd like to know too, it was an excellent performance.

i've seen someone do exactly what you're talking about, with a Wacom 
and live painting in some sort of OpenGL program, with colored lines 
fading and swirling.  It also reminded me (a lot) of Golan Levin's 
Yellowtail (http://www.flong.com/yellowtail/)  I saw this guy play at 
Subtonic Lounge in New York city sometime a couple of weeks ago, but I 
couldn't find out his name.  Sorry to be vague, but if you find out who 
it was I'd like to know too, it was an excellent performance.

thanks, don't know why i couldn't find nesa's patch before, got it now. great stuff to start off with.

thanx for the yellowtail link, that's inspiring. and i'll look around to find out about who it was at the subtonic lounge gig.

http://www.ni9e.com/graffiti_analysis.php

especially cos it doesn't rely on a wacom for input, which i find kinda limiting if ur used to working with traditional media.

jean francois: 
thanks, don't know why  i couldn't find nesa's patch before, got it now. great stuff to start off with.

evan:
thanx for the yellowtail link, that's inspiring. and i'll look around to find out about who it was at the subtonic lounge gig.

i also find that stuff amazing:
http://www.ni9e.com/graffiti_analysis.php
especially cos it doesn't rely on a wacom for input, which i find kinda limiting if ur used to working with traditional media.


On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:18 PM, mador wrote:

> my concerns are whether i can aproximate the smoothness of the 

> painter brushes, and whether something like this is achievable with 

See jsui_splinestuff-example.pat for one way to achieve this with 

Sketch, using the brush textures. Could easily be translated to a 

> my concerns are whether i can aproximate the smoothness of the  
> painter brushes, and whether something like this is achievable with  
> a reasonable amount of effort.

See jsui_splinestuff-example.pat for one way to achieve this with  
Sketch, using the brush textures. Could easily be translated to a  
jit.gl.sketch implementation.

The guy doing OpenGL drawing at SubTonic was Joshue Ott. It's a

program called superDraw that he's been developing in Processing

http://www.intervalstudios.com/superdraw/index.html).

The guy doing OpenGL drawing at SubTonic was Joshue Ott. It's a
program called superDraw that he's been developing in Processing
(http://www.intervalstudios.com/superdraw/index.html).  I was very
impressed by his performance as well.

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wait a minnit....I believe "Super Draw" was one of the original 

macintosh paint programs. I think it was Super because it did bitmap 

AND vector in the same program - not like macpaint or macdraw which 

wait a minnit....I believe "Super Draw" was one of the original 
macintosh paint programs.  I think it was Super because it did bitmap 
AND vector in the same program - not like macpaint or macdraw which 
were 2 different apps.

well, Josh's program is superDraw, not Super Draw. ;) :p

well, Josh's program is superDraw, not Super Draw.  ;) :p

for people who are interested in wacom painting,

here is a link to a chinese-brush painting program

for people who are interested in wacom painting,
here is a link to a chinese-brush painting program
http://www.cs.ust.hk/~cpegnel/VCB/


i've had a look at processing - man thats really cool stuff. actually i'm leaning towards using it instead of jitter.

i've implemented a quick prototype of what i need, still minus the midi capabilities. but that shouldn't be much of a problem either.

it's looking like the way to go for me, especially cos it's open source.

i've had a look at processing - man thats really cool stuff. actually i'm leaning towards using it instead of jitter.
i've implemented a quick prototype of what i need, still minus the midi capabilities. but that shouldn't be much of a problem either.

it's looking like the way to go for me, especially cos it's open source.


The web version of superDraw is incredible!

Does Joshue offer a download, or does you have to familiarise yourself with processing first?

No, Josh hasn't put out a downloadable app as yet. Let him know

you're interested! It's his first time writing a visuals app and he's

No, Josh hasn't put out a downloadable app as yet.  Let him know
you're interested!  It's his first time writing a visuals app and he's
uncertain how many people would like it.

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really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot to 

. it wasnt that hard of a patch to make if you think slowly through 

the methodology. Josh's superDraw does a lot, but to do basic drawing 

within max 2d to 3d - use the wacom object (search for it), and use 

openGl screen2world functionality within javascript

it can be done - ive got a basic implementation working on my end - 

really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot to  
explore

. it wasnt that hard of a patch to make if you think slowly through  
the methodology. Josh's superDraw does a lot, but to do basic drawing  
within max 2d to 3d - use the wacom object (search for it), and use  
openGl screen2world functionality within javascript

it can be done - ive got a basic implementation working on my end -  
and its fun.

On May 18, 2006, at 10:16 PM, vade wrote:

> really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot 

And, like the space program of old, you'll also likely

get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to

> really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot  
> to explore

And, like the space program of old, you'll also likely
get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to
those bootprints on the lunar surface.


still have the brushes for your wonderful paint program?

> On May 18, 2006, at 10:16 PM, vade wrote:

> > really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot

> And, like the space program of old, you'll also likely

> get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to

hi nesa!
still have the brushes for your wonderful paint program?
the original link is offline...
http://tinyurl.com/2ua6ok

On 5/19/06, Gregory Taylor  wrote:
>
> On May 18, 2006, at 10:16 PM, vade wrote:
>
> > really, build it yourself - Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot
> > to explore
>
> And, like the space program of old, you'll also likely
> get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to
> those bootprints on the lunar surface.
>


the program i was starting to program when i opened this thread has come some way since then - check www.tagtool.org

the current version is written in C#. There's also network capabilty so you can have several people draw together over tcp/ip.

also speaks midi and (soon) osc, so you could hook it up with max/jitter i suppose.

it's actually an open source project so if anyone is interested in abusing it for their purposes, go ahead... although we still need to work on documentation to make things more accessible. we'll be posting progress on www.tagtool.org/developer.

mador, this looks very verygood. u wrote a miniJitter. respect

> the program i was starting to program when i opened this thread has come some way since then - check www.tagtool.org

> the current version is written in C#. There's also network capabilty so you can have several people draw together over tcp/ip.

> also speaks midi and (soon) osc, so you could hook it up with max/jitter i suppose.

> it's actually an open source project so if anyone is interested in abusing it for their purposes, go ahead... although we still need to work on documentation to make things more accessible. we'll be posting progress on www.tagtool.org/developer.

On 5/9/07, mador  wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> the program i was starting to program when i opened this thread has come some way since then - check www.tagtool.org
>
> the current version is written in C#. There's also network capabilty so you can have several people draw together over tcp/ip.
>
> also speaks midi and (soon) osc, so you could hook it up with max/jitter i suppose.
>
> it's actually an open source project so if anyone is interested in abusing it for their purposes, go ahead... although we still need to work on documentation to make things more accessible. we'll be posting progress on www.tagtool.org/developer.
>
> all the best,
> markus
>
>
>


thx - although all credit to Richard Radlherr & Paul Schabl. I did the original prototype of the software in Processing but soon hit performance limits. They implemented the C# version which actually has an underlying node editor a little bit like jitter so we can easily tweak & change functionality for different projects.

sorry: that page died, here's the new link:

http://jit.playground.googlepages.com/brushtips.mov

It looks like jean francois' posts were erased somehow. Where can I find nesa's patch? I tried going to the google page, but the link for the new website only opens up an html in safari where all the links are question marks. I know this is an old thread, but I'm very interested in wacom drawing, so if anyone can help point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it!

I believe is this one below, the link to download the brush tips is in Nesa's last message.

I believe is this one below, the link to download the brush tips is in Nesa's last message.
Happy New Year!
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Thanks, giorgio! That's a huge help! Happy new years to you as well!

look also in the page below, you might find something interesting for what you are doing:

https://cycling74.com/forums/mr-doobs-harmony-drawing-application-ported-to-max-msp

you are very welcome,
look also in the page below, you might find something interesting for what you are doing:

Hello i'm working on a spray simulator, This patch is really nice, but is there a way to create intermediate points when the cursor go too fast with jit.gl.multiple JavaScript or stroke like in photoshop. thanks

live drawing w jitter & wacom tablet