live drawing w jitter & wacom tablet

Feb 17, 2006 at 10:18pm

live drawing w jitter & wacom tablet

hi all,
i’ve been doing live drawing performances with improvising musicians for a while now, using a wacom tablet and corel painter – i choose brushes and color on the screen of my powerbook, and i paint the stage with a projector thats hooked up to the video out. it’s a solid setup but using painter is a bit of a bastardisation.

now i wanna move on to using a real live performance rig. ideally i’d like to be able to change color/brushes with a midi keyboard.

also i imagine it’d be cool to have the line fade with time, so i can keep drawing over the same image without too much visual build-up.

my question: is jitter a viable option for achieving this?

my concerns are whether i can aproximate the smoothness of the painter brushes, and whether something like this is achievable with a reasonable amount of effort.

i’m a newbie to jitter but i have some experience in c++/openGL/mel script so i’m not scared of getting my hands dirty.

any advice?

#24479
Feb 17, 2006 at 10:35pm

do it!

#70879
Feb 18, 2006 at 1:09am

#70880
Feb 18, 2006 at 10:56am

thanks guys!

nesa, i couldn’t find the patch jean francois mentionned in the archives. do you still have it?

i found a very basic wacom painting program at http://itp.nyu.edu/~rd64/lipp/

but i guess i’ll try to build a patch from scratch so i know what’s happening.

on to the tutorials!

#70881
Feb 18, 2006 at 5:27pm

#70882
Feb 19, 2006 at 6:18pm

i’ve seen someone do exactly what you’re talking about, with a Wacom
and live painting in some sort of OpenGL program, with colored lines
fading and swirling. It also reminded me (a lot) of Golan Levin’s
Yellowtail (http://www.flong.com/yellowtail/) I saw this guy play at
Subtonic Lounge in New York city sometime a couple of weeks ago, but I
couldn’t find out his name. Sorry to be vague, but if you find out who
it was I’d like to know too, it was an excellent performance.

-evan

#70883
Feb 19, 2006 at 6:56pm

jean francois:
thanks, don’t know why i couldn’t find nesa’s patch before, got it now. great stuff to start off with.

evan:
thanx for the yellowtail link, that’s inspiring. and i’ll look around to find out about who it was at the subtonic lounge gig.

i also find that stuff amazing:
http://www.ni9e.com/graffiti_analysis.php
especially cos it doesn’t rely on a wacom for input, which i find kinda limiting if ur used to working with traditional media.

#70884
Feb 20, 2006 at 3:16am

On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:18 PM, mador wrote:

> my concerns are whether i can aproximate the smoothness of the
> painter brushes, and whether something like this is achievable with
> a reasonable amount of effort.

See jsui_splinestuff-example.pat for one way to achieve this with
Sketch, using the brush textures. Could easily be translated to a
jit.gl.sketch implementation.

-Joshua

#70885
Feb 20, 2006 at 4:16pm

The guy doing OpenGL drawing at SubTonic was Joshue Ott. It’s a
program called superDraw that he’s been developing in Processing
(http://www.intervalstudios.com/superdraw/index.html). I was very
impressed by his performance as well.


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#70886
Feb 20, 2006 at 4:34pm

wait a minnit….I believe “Super Draw” was one of the original
macintosh paint programs. I think it was Super because it did bitmap
AND vector in the same program – not like macpaint or macdraw which
were 2 different apps.

#70887
Feb 20, 2006 at 11:12pm

well, Josh’s program is superDraw, not Super Draw. ;) :p


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#70888
Feb 21, 2006 at 5:35am

for people who are interested in wacom painting,
here is a link to a chinese-brush painting program

http://www.cs.ust.hk/~cpegnel/VCB/

#70889
Feb 22, 2006 at 8:39am

thanks everyone.

i’ve had a look at processing – man thats really cool stuff. actually i’m leaning towards using it instead of jitter.
i’ve implemented a quick prototype of what i need, still minus the midi capabilities. but that shouldn’t be much of a problem either.

it’s looking like the way to go for me, especially cos it’s open source.

#70890
May 2, 2006 at 10:06pm

The web version of superDraw is incredible!

Does Joshue offer a download, or does you have to familiarise yourself with processing first?

Magic.

#70891
May 19, 2006 at 2:53am

No, Josh hasn’t put out a downloadable app as yet. Let him know
you’re interested! It’s his first time writing a visuals app and he’s
uncertain how many people would like it.

dan


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#70892
May 19, 2006 at 3:16am

really, build it yourself – Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot to
explore

. it wasnt that hard of a patch to make if you think slowly through
the methodology. Josh’s superDraw does a lot, but to do basic drawing
within max 2d to 3d – use the wacom object (search for it), and use
openGl screen2world functionality within javascript

it can be done – ive got a basic implementation working on my end –
and its fun.

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info
abstrakt.vade.info

#70893
May 19, 2006 at 3:47am

On May 18, 2006, at 10:16 PM, vade wrote:

> really, build it yourself – Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot
> to explore

And, like the space program of old, you’ll also likely
get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to
those bootprints on the lunar surface.

#70894
May 9, 2007 at 7:09pm

hi nesa!
still have the brushes for your wonderful paint program?
the original link is offline…

http://tinyurl.com/2ua6ok

On 5/19/06, Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
> On May 18, 2006, at 10:16 PM, vade wrote:
>
> > really, build it yourself – Max is fun, pretty forgiving and a lot
> > to explore
>
> And, like the space program of old, you’ll also likely
> get tang, teflon, and space food sticks in addition to
> those bootprints on the lunar surface.
>

#70895
May 9, 2007 at 7:28pm

hello,

the program i was starting to program when i opened this thread has come some way since then – check http://www.tagtool.org

the current version is written in C#. There’s also network capabilty so you can have several people draw together over tcp/ip.

also speaks midi and (soon) osc, so you could hook it up with max/jitter i suppose.

it’s actually an open source project so if anyone is interested in abusing it for their purposes, go ahead… although we still need to work on documentation to make things more accessible. we’ll be posting progress on http://www.tagtool.org/developer.

all the best,
markus

#70896
May 9, 2007 at 7:43pm

mador, this looks very verygood. u wrote a miniJitter. respect

On 5/9/07, mador wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> the program i was starting to program when i opened this thread has come some way since then – check http://www.tagtool.org
>
> the current version is written in C#. There’s also network capabilty so you can have several people draw together over tcp/ip.
>
> also speaks midi and (soon) osc, so you could hook it up with max/jitter i suppose.
>
> it’s actually an open source project so if anyone is interested in abusing it for their purposes, go ahead… although we still need to work on documentation to make things more accessible. we’ll be posting progress on http://www.tagtool.org/developer.
>
> all the best,
> markus
>
>
>

#70897
May 9, 2007 at 7:53pm

thx – although all credit to Richard Radlherr & Paul Schabl. I did the original prototype of the software in Processing but soon hit performance limits. They implemented the C# version which actually has an underlying node editor a little bit like jitter so we can easily tweak & change functionality for different projects.

#70898
May 10, 2007 at 2:39pm

hello yair!

sorry: that page died, here’s the new link:

http://jit.playground.googlepages.com/brushtips.mov

@marcus: really nice project!

best wishes,
nesa

#70899
Jan 1, 2011 at 10:08pm

It looks like jean francois’ posts were erased somehow. Where can I find nesa’s patch? I tried going to the google page, but the link for the new website only opens up an html in safari where all the links are question marks. I know this is an old thread, but I’m very interested in wacom drawing, so if anyone can help point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it!

-G

#70900
Jan 2, 2011 at 6:07am

I believe is this one below, the link to download the brush tips is in Nesa’s last message.
Happy New Year!
g

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –
#70901
Jan 3, 2011 at 5:11pm

Thanks, giorgio! That’s a huge help! Happy new years to you as well!

#70902
Jan 3, 2011 at 9:59pm

you are very welcome,
look also in the page below, you might find something interesting for what you are doing:

http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=28503

ciao
g

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