Rodrigo

So I'm just about done with an orientation workshop at STEIM and I really like what LiSa can do but find it a very limited program (in terms of MIDI resolution and lack of DSP), so I'm wondering if anyone has built something in max specifically for live sampling (that's openly available).

live-sampling-patchprogram-in-max-lisa-like

Well there are perhaps hundreds of sampling applications that have

I more pertinent question would be what does LiSa do that is so special?

Well there are perhaps hundreds of sampling applications that have
been created with Max.

I more pertinent question would be what does LiSa do that is so special?


I guess the configurable nature of it, in terms of controllers and performance, but I guess all max patches would share that (though to less of an extent with the applications).

you can pretty much build lisa in 10 mins flat, so long as you've gone thru all the max and msp tutorials. the point being, that is simply one of the many things max/msp is for, so it is almost impossible to suggest 'a' patch. for me, lisa was quite interesting in 1999 (when i last tried it), but these days i just don't see the point. if you really wanna find basic sampling max patches, why not try mr google?

I gave google a spin before making this post and didn't find much and what I did find was more for playing back samples, as opposed to recording/playing back on the fly (granted my search wasn't exhaustive). I only posted on here as I figured other people might have had similar inclinations in the past (or present). I did search on the forum and didn't find anything either.

I did the tutorials but its been almost 3 years since I mess with max and I'm still living in 4.5 (or whatever was the last version before 5), so it might be rough to try to rebuild something like that, or build something like that in general.

I gave google a spin before making this post and didn't find much and what I did find was more for playing back samples, as opposed to recording/playing back on the fly (granted my search wasn't exhaustive). I only posted on here as I figured other people might have had similar inclinations in the past (or present). I did search on the forum and didn't find anything either.
I did the tutorials but its been almost 3 years since I mess with max and I'm still living in 4.5 (or whatever was the last version before 5), so it might be rough to try to rebuild something like that, or build something like that in general.


LiSa was my starting point with max, for exactly the reasons you mention. And I used the project of building a sort of super LiSa as my way of learning max. It took me quite a while,, but with a lot of support from the forum, I got it working and learnt a lot in the process. The core of the patch was a number of looping buffer recorders, which ran continuously and could be played in several ways. It's _not an exact recreation of the LiSa playing style, but as @pid says, building a LiSa styled instrument won't take long once you have a reasonable understanding of maxmsp.

I might have the old patch laying around somewhere, but it was written in max 3 & 4, and I've never got it working properly in max 5. That said, I'm happy to send you the patch if I can find it (it's big, so I'll yousendit). Email me at davidestevens(at)me.com if you want it.

LiSa was my starting point with max, for exactly the reasons you mention. And I used the project of building a sort of super LiSa as my way of learning max. It took me quite a while,, but with a lot of support from the forum, I got it working and learnt a lot in the process. The core of the patch was a number of looping buffer recorders, which ran continuously and could be played in several ways. It's _not an exact recreation of the LiSa playing style, but as @pid says, building a LiSa styled instrument won't take long once you have a reasonable understanding of maxmsp.
I might have the old patch laying around somewhere, but it was written in max 3 & 4, and I've never got it working properly in max 5. That said, I'm happy to send you the patch if I can find it (it's big, so I'll yousendit). Email me at davidestevens(at)me.com if you want it.


Yeah I can imagine you can do just about anything in max but the downside to that is you can do just about anything in max.

My starting point was writing patches to control LiSa, which would only work if either max or LiSa was in front (can't remember which way round it was), but then i wanted more ways of changing the sound, and the guys at STEIM didn't seeminterested in adding vst capability to the programme, so I then switched to msp,and started the long learning process (which still continues!). Having said that, LiSa does what LiSa does very well, and if you're satisfied with what it does, then there's no need to complicate life by diving into max :-)

And yes, there is a risk with max of getting so involved with the toolset that you forget why you got into it in the first place :-)

My starting point was writing patches to control LiSa, which would only work if either max or LiSa was in front (can't remember which way round it was), but then i wanted more ways of changing the sound, and the guys at STEIM didn't seeminterested in adding vst capability to the programme, so I then switched to msp,and started the long learning process (which still continues!). Having said that, LiSa does what LiSa does very well, and if you're satisfied with what it does, then there's no need to complicate life by diving into max :-)
And yes, there is a risk with max of getting so involved with the toolset that you forget why you got into it in the first place :-)


I know what you're talking about. I was searching the forums for a looper and didn't really find anything that good. I searched the forums and the tutorials. maybe I missed something, i don't know. There are so many great looping guitar pedals, like the boomerang and the Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay, but it's hard to recreate that in max, at least for me.

I posted a patch below based on what I found with some tweaks. If anyone would like to improve on it I would love to see what you come up with. The most fundamental thing missing is being able to overdub. I guess you could have two buffers and record the new material and the old material into a new buffer and just keep bouncing back and forth. let me know what you think.

I know what you're talking about. I was searching the forums for a looper and didn't really find anything that good. I searched the forums and the tutorials. maybe I missed something, i don't know. There are so many great looping guitar pedals, like the boomerang and the Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay, but it's hard to recreate that in max, at least for me. 

I posted a patch below based on what I found with some tweaks. If anyone would like to improve on it I would love to see what you come up with. The most fundamental thing missing is being able to overdub. I guess you could have two buffers and record the new material and the old material into a new buffer and just keep bouncing back and forth. let me know what you think. 

One reason you may not be seeing a copy of something like LiSa running around is involved with the intimate relationship between function and desire that happens to almost anyone who decides to make something with Max. The initial urge to be mimetic just gets derailed early on by almost anyone who develops enough facility to patch on their own, and the result tends to be sufficiently personal that it may not be something that people feel like passing on - although one sees persons here who gladly swap patches with bits of the functionality in it that are obviously part of some grander thing.

The trick is that there are a hundred LiSas out there - or a hundred things that were *going* to be LiSas when the person started. They're exceptionally idiosyncratic instruments now. In my limited experience, that urge to personalize is really what marks the transition between someone who borrows and someone who makes/innovates (although there is also the matter of knowing when to trust your own "style" of Max programming rather than to believe that there's a single solution that someone else out there has already made or will want to make on your behalf). Once the instrument's made, the process of developing style or virtuosity with it begins in earnest. :-)

gregory (who never built a LiSa, actually. I built a billion little things and one day started hooking them to each other until I got a big thing).

one of the more awesome gregory posts, thanks. you speak intellectual sense then furnish mere max-mortals such as i with greater confidence.

Live sampling patch/program in max? (LiSa like)