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localisation : maths


f.e
March 7, 2006 | 8:23 am

Hello,

just a simple math question, as, i guess it’s pretty obvious, but i’m
not sure how to make it with max.

So i got a map with a few points on it. There’s a moving one. What’s the
distance between this point and all the other static ones ? What’s the
speed of the moving point ?

thanks in advance for explanations

best regards

f.e


March 7, 2006 | 9:16 am

lets said point A and B
distance A to B is …

AB = [((Ax-Bx)^2)+((Ay-By)^2)]^0.5

and speed is…

S = AB/time

ask pitagoras.. :))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem

diex


March 7, 2006 | 9:21 am

sorry I forget to said that X and Y are your graphic coordinates.
Replace variables with your A and B points coordinates.
Use [expr]

expr [(($i1-$i2)^2)+(($i3-$i4)^2)]^0.5

byebye


March 7, 2006 | 9:27 am

On 7Mar2006, at 9:23, f.e wrote:

> So i got a map with a few points on it. There’s a moving one.
> What’s the distance between this point and all the other static
> ones ? What’s the speed of the moving point ?

Distance is sqrt((x1-x2)*(x1-x2) + (y1-y2)*(y1-y2)). x1/y1 would be
the coordinates of your moving point, x2/y2 would be whichever point
you take as a reference.

"Speed" can mean a couple of different things: velocity as a vector,
absolute magnitude of the vector… I expect in your case you would
simply want the change in distance (as calculated above) divided by
time, giving you pixels/sec.

Hope this helps,
Peter


March 7, 2006 | 10:36 am


March 7, 2006 | 1:57 pm


knowing that there is nothing as cool as that
in the litter pack it is a joy for me to
recommend you to use

[110.pythagoras]

which you can dl here:

http://adminx.de/roman/ext/110_pythagoras.toast

unfortunately i failed to post before peter did;
my friggin OS 9 toast program just chrashed me
and i had to reboot.

when came back to the forum there were two posts
by peter already.

for now i shall overlook that offense.

-slow old 110



f.e
March 7, 2006 | 3:05 pm

Dear Roman,

about 110.pythagoras :

If this is an abstraction, could you zip it ?

If this is an external, would you send me the sources in order for me to
compile it for windows ?

best regards

f.e


March 8, 2006 | 12:36 am

oops right you is on win. sorry.
you should be able to open toast files on windows,
but the files were lacking extensions anyway.

hope my zip files work for you .. they might need
aladdin app … i have never luck with that kind
of "stuff".

http://adminx.de/roman/ext/110.pythagoras.mxb.zip
http://adminx.de/roman/ext/110.pythagoras-.mxb.zip

http://adminx.de/roman/ext/110.pythagoras.help.zip

-eill eill nuns


March 8, 2006 | 12:41 am

Quote: f.e wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 00:23
—————————————————-
> Hello,
>
> just a simple math question, as, i guess it’s pretty obvious, but i’m
> not sure how to make it with max.
>
> So i got a map with a few points on it. There’s a moving one. What’s the
> distance between this point and all the other static ones ? What’s the
> speed of the moving point ?
>

cartopol is my friend in situations like these.

mz



f.e
March 8, 2006 | 8:38 am

Thank you Roman,

at least i own MacDrive to extract the .bin "original mac file" from the
.zip ;-D

cheers

f.e


March 9, 2006 | 3:19 am

Hi all

I’m close to finishing a set of Ambisonic Max/MSP externals for spatialising
sound sources & transforming spatial sound fields (including encoding,
rotating and decoding up to 3rd order in 2-D/3-D layouts). I’m looking for
people to help beta-test them – especially if you’re lucky enough to have
multi-channel speaker arrays lying around… :-)

Let me know if you can. OSX only for now (Mach-O externs).

G


March 9, 2006 | 7:48 am

Hi,

I would be interested. I have worked quite a bit on ambisonics in the
past year, trying different approaches, and we are currently planning
to implement modules for dealing with ambisonics in Jamoma
(www.jamoma.org).

I’ve got multichannel layouts laying around, up to 18 speakers.

What license are you planning on releasing the objects according to?

Best,
Trond


March 9, 2006 | 4:37 pm

i have made a decoder/encoder too, but only for
weighting … and now i am a bit clueless how
to use the encoder in conjunction with filtering ;)

it is hardly possible for me to read up on the theory
so i will be happy to see some maxmsp patches with examples.


March 9, 2006 | 11:16 pm

wakefield wrote:
> I’m close to finishing a set of Ambisonic Max/MSP externals for spatialising
> sound sources & transforming spatial sound fields (including encoding,
> rotating and decoding up to 3rd order in 2-D/3-D layouts). I’m looking for
> people to help beta-test them – especially if you’re lucky enough to have
> multi-channel speaker arrays lying around… :-)
>
> Let me know if you can. OSX only for now (Mach-O externs).

I’d love to…

Stefan

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March 10, 2006 | 1:04 am

Moi aussi!

Cheers,
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson


March 10, 2006 | 6:20 am

Hi Graham,

am very interested – moving most of my work to multi-channel now. Am
in-between-cities for the next month, so have some limited access to a
5.1studio at the moment, but thereafter should have a
5.1 system regularly available, possibly more. My background is software
testing, so I’m up for writing decent bug reports etc…

regards,

Mark


March 10, 2006 | 8:27 am

Ok, thanks in advance for any input/advice/bug
reports/comments/requests/suggestions etc etc.

http://www.grahamwakefield.net/soft/ambi%7E/index.htm

Max/MSP externals for Ambisonic encoding, rotating and decoding up to 3rd
order for two or three dimensional speaker arrays.

Ambi.encode~ encodes a monophonic source to a specified azimuth and
elevation.

Ambi.encoden~ encodes up to 16 sources to distinct azimuth and elevation
orientations (specified individually or as a list).

Ambi.rotate~ transforms an encoded sound field by rotating around axes
(currently limited to rotations around the Z axis).

Ambi.decode~ decodes an ambisonic encoded sound field to a user-defined
speaker array of up to 16 channels (more can be added by using more than one
ambi.decode~ object). Messages control the speaker layout, global gain,
mono/spatialized balance, and decoding flavour.

More ambi externals/abstractions planned: ambi.decode51~, ambi.mirror~,
ambi.grain~, ambi.oscbank~, ambi.sfplay~, jit.ambi~ etc etc, but may have to
wait for the new SDK since I have no codewarrior ;-)

I’m also trying to figure out how to represent the encoded sound-field as a
deformed sphere in Jitter, to add to the package. Any tips gracefully
appreciated.

I’ve used it here at UCSB’s MAT program on a 16-channel 3-D array and it
sounds good, but your mileage may vary. I’m assuming you already are
familiar with Ambisonic sound field representations; if not, check out:

http://www.sonicarchitecture.de/en/practice_unten.html
http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/mustech/3d_audio/ambis2.htm
http://www.ambisonic.net/
et google al.

G


March 10, 2006 | 9:34 am

Hi,

interesting… will try.

One thing that for me is important is missing: an ambisonic to
binaural converter external, to listen with headphones.

Good work.

All the best

Alessandro Fogar


March 10, 2006 | 10:40 pm

Actually, a HRTF object for MSP would be useful in general…


March 12, 2006 | 6:41 pm

> Actually, a HRTF object for MSP would be useful in general…

buffir~?

somebody posted a nice patch to the list with
a set of soundfiles not long ago, that should do this;

> > One thing that for me is important is missing: an ambisonic to
> > binaural converter external, to listen with headphones.


March 12, 2006 | 7:33 pm

Indeed buffir~ would be a good candidate, if only it could handle more than
256 points…


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