Cycling 74 » Topic: looking to design an FM synth like Operator http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/feed Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:48:16 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-49414 <![CDATA[looking to design an FM synth like Operator]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-49414 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:03:50 +0000 laotze Hi,

I’m really into the idea of an Ableton-style FM synth for M4L that uses the same basic format with loads of extra features. I’m running into problems, though. First, with terms like ‘harmonicity’ and ‘modulation index.’ I’ve gotten the math to calculate harmonicity using the simple coarse/semitones/fine scheme, but mod index is still confusing me. In the Max tutorial the function is set to a range of 0-24. Can anyone explain this? I’ve tried scaling it with less than desirable results.

Next, how do the algorithms come into play? If it’s a simple answer of ‘lots of gate~ and selector~ objects’ that’s fine and I can toil over it for a while longer. Max’s SimpleFM~ tutorial patch is a bit too simple for deducing the answer, so I’m just wondering if there’s a simpler solution. Essentially I want to have 4 to 8 oscillators to incorporate into this thing.

I’ve been troubled with this for months, coming back to it over and over and not getting any further. Can anyone give me any pointers? Here’s what I’ve got so far.

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177521 <![CDATA[Re: looking to design an FM synth like Operator]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177521 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:11:00 +0000 oli larkin >Next, how do the algorithms come into play?

here’s how i have done it:

I have a basic FM operator abstraction. Then for each “algorithm”, I have a separate patch with different arrangements of the operators and different routing. These patches are loaded dynamically into a poly~ (depending on which algorithm is used). The poly~ has a low signal vector size so that the algorithms can include a feedback loop with minimal delay.

other people use matrix~

oli

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177522 <![CDATA[Re: looking to design an FM synth like Operator]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177522 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:36:33 +0000 jhaysonn ________Max.4.6 copy+paste________
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#P hidden user ezdac~ 5 646 49 679 0;
#N vpatcher 181 328 781 728;
#N comlet key pressed , bang attack line;
#P outlet 276 112 15 0;
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P window linecount 0;
#P message 244 75 14 196617 9;
#N comlet pitch (Hz);
#P outlet 152 149 15 0;
#P newex 124 127 31 196617 mtof;
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#P message 202 75 14 196617 7;
#P message 181 75 14 196617 6;
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#P message 139 75 14 196617 4;
#P message 118 75 14 196617 3;
#P message 97 75 14 196617 2;
#P message 76 75 14 196617 1;
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#P newex 76 104 136 196617 nw.get_scalemem slavedata;
#N comlet key depressed;
#P inlet 76 30 15 0;
#N comlet pitch for techno~ (Hz);
#P outlet 94 218 15 0;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 68 190 36 196617 buddy;
#P newex 94 149 40 196617 pack i i;
#P message 94 170 62 196617 pitch $1 $2;
#N comlet phasor~ (to 128);
#P inlet 94 129 15 0;
#P fasten 11 0 3 0 144 98 73 98;
#P fasten 15 0 3 0 228 98 73 98;
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#P connect 7 0 8 0;
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#P fasten 10 0 6 0 123 93 81 93;
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#P fasten 14 0 6 0 207 93 81 93;
#P fasten 18 0 6 0 249 93 81 93;
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#P connect 2 0 1 0;
#P connect 1 0 3 1;
#P connect 3 1 4 0;
#P connect 7 1 9 0;
#P connect 7 2 10 0;
#P fasten 6 0 16 0 81 124 129 124;
#P connect 16 0 2 1;
#P connect 7 3 11 0;
#P fasten 16 0 17 0 129 146 157 146;
#P connect 7 4 12 0;
#P connect 7 5 13 0;
#P connect 7 6 14 0;
#P connect 7 7 15 0;
#P connect 7 8 18 0;
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#P fasten 7 7 19 0 228 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 6 19 0 207 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 5 19 0 186 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 4 19 0 165 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 3 19 0 144 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 2 19 0 123 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 1 19 0 102 71 281 71;
#P fasten 7 0 19 0 81 71 281 71;
#P pop;
#P hidden newobj -339 -1 40 196617 p pitch;
#P hidden newex -674 -37 98 196617 receive~ phaseorrr;
#P hidden message -647 56 28 196617 dump;
#P hidden message -650 79 31 196617 erase;
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#P toggle 235 165 15 0;
#P message 250 165 59 196617 play $1;
#P hidden newex -669 133 43 196617 route 0;
#P hidden newex -339 -26 40 196617 key;
#P hidden newex -684 109 40 196617 seq~;
#N comlet phasor~ to techno~;
#P hidden inlet -392 -93 15 0;
#P hidden newex 232 253 80 196617 wave~ table1 0;
#P hidden newex 10 529 35 196617 gate~;
#P hidden newex -47 529 35 196617 gate~;
#P window setfont Times 14.;
#P window linecount 5;
#P hidden comment 38 380 146 1310734 timer will give the distance between numbers coming in – find an anchor that tells you a relation;
#P window setfont “Fixedwidth Serif” 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P hidden newex -115 503 27 1441802 *~;
#P hidden connect 87 0 88 0;
#P connect 70 0 71 0;
#P hidden connect 105 1 70 0;
#P hidden fasten 44 0 42 1 -268 62 -309 62;
#P hidden connect 44 0 26 0;
#P hidden connect 44 0 59 0;
#P hidden fasten 20 1 19 1 296 477 310 477;
#P lcolor 7;
#P hidden connect 68 0 63 1;
#P hidden connect 67 0 62 1;
#P hidden connect 27 0 0 0;
#P hidden connect 27 0 19 0;
#P hidden connect 104 1 32 0;
#P hidden connect 59 0 32 0;
#P hidden connect 33 0 31 0;
#P hidden connect 33 0 32 0;
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#P hidden connect 43 0 31 0;
#P hidden connect 43 0 32 0;
#P hidden connect 66 0 20 0;
#P hidden connect 64 1 66 0;
#P hidden connect 12 0 84 0;
#P hidden connect 12 0 11 0;
#P hidden connect 10 0 82 0;
#P hidden connect 10 0 9 0;
#P hidden connect 101 1 23 0;
#P hidden connect 65 0 64 0;
#P hidden fasten 71 0 64 0 324 399 237 399;
#P hidden connect 60 0 65 0;
#P hidden connect 63 0 60 0;
#P hidden connect 62 0 63 0;
#P hidden connect 4 0 62 0;
#P hidden connect 61 0 4 0;
#P hidden connect 93 0 95 0;
#P hidden connect 103 1 31 0;
#P hidden connect 102 1 31 0;
#P hidden connect 92 0 93 0;
#P hidden connect 100 1 90 0;
#P hidden connect 48 0 55 0;
#P hidden connect 48 0 22 1;
#P hidden connect 48 0 58 0;
#P hidden connect 48 0 51 0;
#P hidden connect 99 1 26 0;
#P hidden connect 98 1 46 0;
#P hidden connect 19 0 46 0;
#P hidden connect 3 0 17 1;
#P hidden connect 97 1 40 0;
#P hidden connect 46 0 3 1;
#P hidden connect 96 1 45 0;
#P hidden connect 0 0 45 0;
#P hidden connect 90 0 2 0;
#P hidden connect 90 0 3 0;
#P hidden connect 95 0 94 0;
#P hidden connect 2 0 17 0;
#P hidden connect 45 0 2 1;
#P hidden fasten 20 0 0 1 266 476 -93 476;
#P lcolor 7;
#P hidden connect 23 0 33 0;
#P hidden connect 28 0 27 1;
#P hidden fasten 32 1 28 0 312 166 -180 166;
#P hidden connect 29 0 25 2;
#P hidden fasten 31 1 29 0 188 141 -193 141;
#P hidden connect 39 0 25 1;
#P hidden fasten 26 0 39 0 88 88 -256 88;
#P hidden connect 58 0 54 1;
#P hidden connect 21 0 44 0;
#P hidden connect 16 1 43 0;
#P hidden connect 16 1 22 0;
#P hidden connect 16 1 54 0;
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#P hidden connect 18 0 74 0;
#P hidden connect 18 0 21 0;
#P hidden connect 79 0 21 0;
#P hidden fasten 54 0 53 2 -275 124 -303 124;
#P hidden connect 25 0 27 0;
#P hidden connect 38 0 25 0;
#P hidden fasten 53 0 38 0 -335 358 -319 358;
#P hidden connect 22 0 53 1;
#P hidden connect 7 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 7 0 73 0;
#P hidden connect 7 0 16 0;
#P hidden connect 6 0 16 0;
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#P hidden connect 50 0 48 0;
#P hidden connect 56 0 48 0;
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#P hidden connect 89 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 89 0 79 0;
#P hidden connect 84 0 83 0;
#P hidden connect 82 0 81 0;
#P connect 6 1 8 0;
#P hidden connect 14 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 13 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 9 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 11 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 15 0 6 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 106;
_______end copy+paste________

It’s in 4.6 and I don’t know how they talk with each other, but that’s a patch I made for using my keyboard as an ‘instrument’ and recording based on a networked phasor to keep time. It was while performing with Mobile Performance Group =) I apologize for the total chaos of the patch =,( First time opening it in 3 years =P.

You’ll need to just make a sub-patch to replace the “SimpleFM.mxb” that is in the lower left of the unlocked patch. Just copy this inside it.

_________Max 4.6 copy+paste_______
#P window setfont Times 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P comment 123 141 92 1310730 modulator amplitude;
#P comment 109 116 92 1310730 modulating oscillator;
#P comment 75 190 74 1310730 carrier oscillator;
#P comment 164 25 77 1310730 Modulation index;
#P comment 85 25 77 1310730 Harmonicity ratio;
#P comment 5 25 74 1310730 Carrier frequency;
#N comlet FM signal;
#P outlet 31 213 15 0;
#P window setfont “Fixedwidth Serif” 10.;
#P newex 113 87 38 1441802 *~ $2;
#P newex 31 164 43 1441802 +~;
#P newex 64 61 38 1441802 *~ $1;
#P newex 64 139 59 1441802 *~;
#P newex 64 114 43 1441802 cycle~;
#P newex 31 188 43 1441802 cycle~;
#N comlet Modulation index;
#P inlet 193 39 15 0;
#N comlet Harmonicity ratio;
#P inlet 114 39 15 0;
#N comlet Carrier frequency;
#P inlet 31 39 15 0;
#P window setfont Times 10.;
#P comment 46 214 53 1310730 FM signal;
#P fasten 3 0 9 1 198 57 146 57;
#P connect 9 0 6 1;
#P connect 7 0 5 0;
#P fasten 7 0 9 0 69 82 118 82;
#P fasten 2 0 7 1 119 57 97 57;
#P connect 6 0 8 1;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 1 0 8 0;
#P fasten 1 0 7 0 36 57 69 57;
#P connect 4 0 10 0;
#P connect 8 0 4 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 17;
__________end copy+paste__________

hope it helps

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177523 <![CDATA[Re: looking to design an FM synth like Operator]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/looking-to-design-an-fm-synth-like-operator/#post-177523 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:52:29 +0000 brendan mccloskey See Peter Elsea’s ‘Max and FM’ tutorial for a clear demonstration of harmonicity and mod index, and how they relate to timbre spectra

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