Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.

Jun 7, 2008 at 12:50pm

Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.

I have started moving to Max 5 from 4.6.

I have lots of complex patches in 4.6 and a continuing schedule of
personal projects and consulting deadlines so I am wary of jumping
completely.

I know there are other great new things in Max 5 but transport and
the associated timing scheme are of most immediate interest.

I am wondering if there are any dangers in running both versions
together. My idea is to continue running my production stuff in 4.6
while controlling timing with patches written in 5. I plan to send
signals 5 >> 4.6 via either midi or udp. If this is indeed feasible
and safe, is there an advantage to creating the Max 5 patches as
standalones?

I don’t need examples, just advice and caveats.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

#38282
Jun 7, 2008 at 1:01pm

On 7 juin 08, at 14:50, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> I don’t need examples, just advice and caveats.

Max 4.x and Max 5.x run safely on the same computer. I would recommend
having different search path though.

ej

#133224
Jun 7, 2008 at 2:48pm

it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5… it should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i’m not sure if it would work though..

#133225
Jun 7, 2008 at 7:40pm

Actually I have the signal routing all worked out. I use a MOTU828MKII.
I jumpered a cable between the optical in/out ports on the MOTU. Works
much better and more reliably than either soundflower of rewire. In the
audio setup I can deal with just one sound device instead of an aggregate.

My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.

—– Original Message —–
From: thezer0ist

Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:05 am
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.

>
> it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5… it
> should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i’m not sure
> if it would work though..
>

#133226
Jun 7, 2008 at 8:47pm

Max 5 on my G4 is super slow. i love it and hate it and the same time. i still rock 4.6 for live performances, but perhaps i just need a new intel laptop to run max 5 w/ ease. 4.6 & 5 together seems like it would make my computer crash.
-chuck

—– Original Message —-
From: Gary Nelson
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:40:17 PM
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.

Actually I have the signal routing all worked out. I use a MOTU828MKII.
I jumpered a cable between the optical in/out ports on the MOTU. Works
much better and more reliably than either soundflower of rewire. In the
audio setup I can deal with just one sound device instead of an aggregate.

My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.

—– Original Message —–
From: thezer0ist

Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:05 am
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.

>
> it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5… it
> should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i’m not sure
> if it would work though..
>

#133227
Jun 7, 2008 at 8:50pm

On 7 Jun 2008, at 20:40, Gary Nelson wrote:

> My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.

As far as I could tell when I tried it, you can’t use MXJ in both at
the same time. I’ve not (yet) tried to isolate the reason.

– N.

Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
http://www.cassiel.com
http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel
http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
http://www.loadbang.net

#133228
Jun 8, 2008 at 2:15pm

As Emmanuel said, you can run both together on the same machine, even at the same time. I sometimes have 5, 4.6 *and* 4.5 running at the same time on a single machine.

The advice about distinct search paths is worth noting. V5 will open v4 patchers but it will only save in the new format. I resisted the recommended move of *copying* all projects to a new Max 5 folder for a while, but eventually broke down and have done so. This is not entirely convenient with ongoing projects, but I move projects to v5 one at a time.

Nick’s note about Java is interesting. I’ve not tried running mxj stuff on two Maxes at the same time. But I don’t do much Java (pretty deliberately).

HtH — P.

#133229
Jun 8, 2008 at 2:28pm

On 8 Jun 2008, at 15:15, Peter Castine wrote:

> Nick’s note about Java is interesting. I’ve not tried running mxj
> stuff on two Maxes at the same time.

I just tried it again now, with two Groovy interpreters, and it all
seems to work fine, so I’m not sure what the original problem was, if
any; some complaint about JNI initialisation which might be transient,
fixed, or both.

(The Python threading stuff seems mysteriously broken in Max 4 but
fine in Max 5 – but the Jython system has a common cache of compiled
objects, so it’s very possible that this should be considered a
singleton.)

– N.

Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
http://www.cassiel.com
http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel
http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
http://www.loadbang.net

#133230
Jun 10, 2008 at 3:52am

FWIW I haven’t had any problems running 4.6 and 5 simultaneously. Been using a lot of Java and JRuby.

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