Vlad Spears

Like all good Max spelunkers, I long ago explored the hidden Pluggo 

caverns known as /bonus-externs. For anyone who creates their own 

Pluggos and doesn't know about these, Cycling has an illuminating 

article on a few of the extremely useful externals found in this 

I once rolled my own abstractions to cover the jobs [ddg.beatsync], 

[ddg.exclusive] and [gang] do. They were not nearly as solid as the 

bonus externs. Especially in the case of [ddg.beatsync], my 

abstractions have never been even close. And in a whole new realm, 

[buildassist] makes external file inclusion during the build process 

In the web link above, Andrew Pask states: "Please feel free to use 

any of this in your own work. There is only one caveat - all of this 

stuff is unsupported and may change at any time."

Given the super-useful nature of the above externals, I'd like to 

request they, or something functionally like them, be made a 

supported part of the Pluggo-building tools in Max 5 (Pluggo 4?).

Please? If you can be bribed, I'll even bring some good beer of your 

Like all good Max spelunkers, I long ago explored the hidden Pluggo  
caverns known as /bonus-externs.  For anyone who creates their own  
Pluggos and doesn't know about these, Cycling has an illuminating  
article on a few of the extremely useful externals found in this  
directory.  Check it out at https://cycling74.com/story/ 
2007/3/22/11219/9075

I once rolled my own abstractions to cover the jobs [ddg.beatsync],  
[ddg.exclusive] and [gang] do.  They were not nearly as solid as the  
bonus externs.  Especially in the case of [ddg.beatsync], my  
abstractions have never been even close.  And in a whole new realm,  
[buildassist] makes external file inclusion during the build process  
dead easy.

In the web link above, Andrew Pask states: "Please feel free to use  
any of this in your own work. There is only one caveat - all of this  
stuff is unsupported and may change at any time."

Given the super-useful nature of the above externals, I'd like to  
request they, or something functionally like them, be made a  
supported part of the Pluggo-building tools in Max 5 (Pluggo 4?).

Please?  If you can be bribed, I'll even bring some good beer of your  
choice to the new Cycling office!

http://www.daevlmakr.com
http://www.2secondfuse.com

max-5-pluggo-building-feature-request

Quote: spears@2secondfuse.com wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 07:14

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> article on a few of the extremely useful externals found in this 

some of these objects are really useful, and would take the pain out of building specific parts for pluggo.

i also like the chaos-navier-stokes object! there use to be other objects which provide this type of random data... but cant find one that's UB!

Quote: spears@2secondfuse.com wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 07:14
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Cycling has an illuminating  
> article on a few of the extremely useful externals found in this  
> directory.  Check it out at https://cycling74.com/story/ 
> 2007/3/22/11219/9075
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> In the web link above, Andrew Pask states: "Please feel free to use 

> any of this in your own work. There is only one caveat - all of this 

> stuff is unsupported and may change at any time."

Yep - ass covering manoeuvre. None of this stuff is really likely to change as far as the 4.6.x branch goes. So you'll always have it around.

> Please? If you can be bribed, I'll even bring some good beer of your 

Beer is always welcome. You might find you gain a whole new group of friends. But then again probably none of them would end up in the right mindset for maintaining the code in bonus-externs.

> In the web link above, Andrew Pask states: "Please feel free to use  
> any of this in your own work. There is only one caveat - all of this  
> stuff is unsupported and may change at any time."

> Please?  If you can be bribed, I'll even bring some good beer of your  
> choice to the new Cycling office!
>

> i also like the chaos-navier-stokes object! there use to be other objects which provide this type of random data... but cant find one that's UB!

You could always try typing "Naver-stokes" into

You could always try typing "Naver-stokes" into
http://www.maxobjects.com . . . .

Quote: Gregory Taylor wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 20:13

> > i also like the chaos-navier-stokes object! there use to be other objects which provide this type of random data... but cant find one that's UB!

> You could always try typing "Naver-stokes" into

well, my point was more to do with these pluggo bonus externals - which would be an asset if they were included as part of the distribution rather than as hidden secret objects.

and now i have checked maxobjects again i see andre sier appears to have updated his library:

https://cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/Share/AndreSier

altho' it states it's UB on maxobjects, i cant get them to load on an intel mac with maxmsp 4.6.2.

error message states it cant load old cfm externals - that to me points out that these are not UB.

Quote: Gregory Taylor wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 20:13
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> > i also like the chaos-navier-stokes object! there use to be other objects which provide this type of random data... but cant find one that's UB!
>
> You could always try typing "Naver-stokes" into
> http://www.maxobjects.com . . . .
>
> Wasn't that easy?
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there actually is a UB build of the Chaos library mentioned in the previous post, but its a beta and is only available through andre's website:

So I've taken some initiative here and typed Andre's

name into a search engine. Lo and behold, web pages

with what appear to be more recently updated things:

Oh - wait - that's the second reference in maxobjects.com

The UB stuff here works fine in 10.4.9/most recent

So I've taken some initiative here and typed Andre's
name into a search engine. Lo and behold, web pages
with what appear to be more recently updated things:

The UB stuff here works fine in 10.4.9/most recent
binary on my Pro.


sarcasm aside - the point of my post was to highlight the usefulness of these pluggo bonus objects. but clearly you seem to be more interested in condescending and / or patronising humor, which i fail to find amusing or informative.

if you have a view on the usefulness of these objects then please state it. failing that, take some initiative and find something better to do with your time.

On 2007, May, 16 , at 2:39 , justin wrote:

> there actually is a UB build of the Chaos library mentioned in the 

> previous post, but its a beta and is only available through andre's 

its beta because i still didnt get a chance to try out on intel macs.

On  2007, May, 16 , at 2:39 , justin wrote:

>
> a little correction...
>
> there actually is a UB build of the Chaos library mentioned in the  
> previous post, but its a beta and is only available through andre's  
> website:
>
> http://www.s373.net/code/

I'm perhaps too narrowly focused here. I'll assume that you DO now have some Chaos objects for your UB pursuits. You're welcome.

Your other request has been noted, but things remain as Andrew originally described them, at the moment.

> its beta because i still didnt get a chance to try out on intel macs.

They work jes' fine for my purposes. A nice painless transfer with my MacIntel for my projects. Perhaps it would be helpful to add a link to your share page that mentions the beta UB stuff, just in case people don't look any farther than the first maxobjects.com listing.

Thanks for your work on these objects, by the way. It's great to have them.

> its beta because i still didnt get a chance to try out on intel macs.
>
> seems to work ok on ppc.

Thanks for your work on these objects, by the way. It's great to have them.


On 2007, May, 16 , at 5:56 , Gregory Taylor wrote:

>> its beta because i still didnt get a chance to try out on intel macs.

thanks for the input. i mentionned it also because i found (and 

fixed) a lot of problems in the current beta of my a-objects 

colection. nothing like pressing gigs with new machines to sparkle 

many thanks for the input. hope they lead you in some nice 

> They work jes' fine for my purposes. A nice painless transfer with 

> my MacIntel for my projects. Perhaps it would be helpful to add a 

> link to your share page that mentions the beta UB stuff, just in 

> case people don't look any farther than the first maxobjects.com 

> Thanks for your work on these objects, by the way. It's great to 

> knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this 

On  2007, May, 16 , at 5:56 , Gregory Taylor wrote:

>
>> its beta because i still didnt get a chance to try out on intel macs.
>>
>> seems to work ok on ppc.
>
> Hi, Andre.

thanks for the input. i mentionned it also because i found (and  
fixed) a lot of problems in the current beta of my a-objects  
colection. nothing like pressing gigs with new machines to sparkle  
things in motion.

many thanks for the input. hope they lead you in some nice  
undeterministic paths.

>
> They work jes' fine for my purposes. A nice painless transfer with  
> my MacIntel for my projects. Perhaps it would be helpful to add a  
> link to your share page that mentions the beta UB stuff, just in  
> case people don't look any farther than the first maxobjects.com  
> listing.
>
> Thanks for your work on these objects, by the way. It's great to  
> have them.
> --
> knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this  
> equation


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Max 5 Pluggo-building feature request