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max 5 + vst

April 25, 2008 | 3:58 pm

Hi,
I have just update to Max 5, but I can use the vst plugins. The max windows tells me that they are not VST 2.4 compatibles. What’s that?
Thank you
M


April 25, 2008 | 5:36 pm

It would be very cool to be able to have the vst in a sort of bpatcher. Without their wonderful spectrogram, the spectralshapers are a lot less useable.
I’m pretty sure this is hard to implement…

By the way, I don’t get this "they are not VST 2.4 compatible" message…


April 25, 2008 | 6:04 pm

I thought the new vst~ was going to support transport information?
Why does the transport still not work?


April 25, 2008 | 6:14 pm

Don’t get me wrong, I understand that Cycling just
rebuilt their whole user interface. But still…


April 25, 2008 | 6:42 pm

To send vst~ host sync, choose GlobalTransport from the Extras menu and start it.

re VST 2.4, this is specific to PowerPC — the plug-in does not support the new method of drawing in a host required since Intel machines were released. Most of these plug-ins will still process audio, you just can’t look at them. It would be much easier for plug-in vendors to enable 2.4 code on PPC than it would for us to support pre 2.4 plug-ins, since they all had to write this code for Intel compatibility. We might be able to figure out something, but it won’t happen immediately.

David Z.



jln
April 25, 2008 | 10:34 pm


April 26, 2008 | 3:03 am


April 30, 2008 | 8:35 pm

Well shut my mouth… [transport] is what I need.


April 30, 2008 | 9:18 pm

>I like to have all the parameters and effects in the same window.
>It’s a question of room gain too and clearness.
>During a concert, I prefer to concentrate on the music than >opening/moving/closing windows.

How about

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

May 1, 2008 | 1:31 am

Hi,

I am trying to build a controlable vst chain in max 5 and have two questions for you:

-how can I control the parameters of a vst loaded in vst~ object (without double-clicking the object)? I wanted other max commands/objects to control the vst parameters.

-how can I memorize a certain vst in the vst~ object? Everytime I restart the patch, all the loaded plugins disappear..

Thank you very much
Luis


May 1, 2008 | 12:06 pm

It is very simple, just look at the help patch and read the reference
documentation, it is all there…

james

On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Luis Fernandes wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to build a controlable vst chain in max 5 and have two
> questions for you:
>
> -how can I control the parameters of a vst loaded in vst~ object
> (without double-clicking the object)? I wanted other max commands/
> objects to control the vst parameters.
>
> -how can I memorize a certain vst in the vst~ object? Everytime I
> restart the patch, all the loaded plugins disappear..
>
> Thank you very much
> Luis
>



dc
May 11, 2008 | 9:15 pm

Quote: David Zicarelli wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 12:42
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> To send vst~ host sync, choose GlobalTransport from the Extras menu and start it.
>

Doesn’t seem to work with d16′s nepheton plugin.

I have ‘host mode’ selected in nepheton but when I start global transport in max, nothing happens.

Funnily enough, when I select ‘internal sync’ on nepheton it does receive start and stop messages from global transport but obviously it doesn’t stay in sync with it.

Anyone have a different experience?
Anyhthing I’m doing wrong?

Thanks!

dc

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May 12, 2008 | 8:37 am

Is there a simple way of telling which of my vst plugins will work & which will crash Max5? If I start with the vst~ help file, click "plug" & choose one which doesn’t work, Max crashes instantly. It’ll be a laborious & frustrating process to relaunch Max 50 or so times just to find out.

If I load an old patch which includes the wrong sort of plugin the same thing happens – I need to go back to 4.6 to edit the patch & this won’t be possible when I change my machine & only have version 5. Any thoughts?

thanks

Alistair


May 12, 2008 | 9:30 am

On 12 mai 08, at 10:37, alistair macdonald wrote:

> Is there a simple way of telling which of my vst plugins will work &
> which will crash Max5? If I start with the vst~ help file, click
> "plug" & choose one which doesn’t work, Max crashes instantly. It’ll
> be a laborious & frustrating process to relaunch Max 50 or so times
> just to find out.
>
> If I load an old patch which includes the wrong sort of plugin the
> same thing happens – I need to go back to 4.6 to edit the patch &
> this won’t be possible when I change my machine & only have version
> 5. Any thoughts?

Which plug-ins are you trying to load? Pluggo plug-ins or plug-ins
made with Max 4.6 won’t work at all in Max 5 for instance. Otherwise
plug-ins which suport VST 2.4 or higher should be fine.

ej


May 12, 2008 | 9:58 am

I read previous messages so I know about Pluggo plug-ins & those made with Max 4.6, but I have a large collection of useful, mostly free things…. Without crashing Max to find out, how do I know if they suport VST 2.4 or not?

Alistair

>>>
ej wrote:

Which plug-ins are you trying to load? Pluggo plug-ins or plug-ins
made with Max 4.6 won’t work at all in Max 5 for instance. Otherwise
plug-ins which suport VST 2.4 or higher should be fine.

ej


May 12, 2008 | 10:27 am

On 12 mai 08, at 11:58, alistair macdonald wrote:

> I read previous messages so I know about Pluggo plug-ins & those
> made with Max 4.6, but I have a large collection of useful, mostly
> free things…. Without crashing Max to find out, how do I know if
> they suport VST 2.4 or not?

I leave that question for the professionals. There’s one more
difference from 4.6 versus 5 AFAIR, which is that you need to have
Universal Binary plug-ins.

ej


May 12, 2008 | 12:58 pm

>On 12 mai 08, at 11:58, alistair macdonald wrote:
>
>>I read previous messages so I know about Pluggo plug-ins & those
>>made with Max 4.6, but I have a large collection of useful, mostly
>>free things…. Without crashing Max to find out, how do I know if
>>they suport VST 2.4 or not?
>
>
>I leave that question for the professionals. There’s one more
>difference from 4.6 versus 5 AFAIR, which is that you need to have
>Universal Binary plug-ins.

I don’t know if it is a question of plug-in or max, but in many cases
invalid plug-ins simply did not load in PPC, when they crash the app
on Intel

GRM tools are such a case: if i don’t have my iLok, the patch loads
on PPC (but not the plug-in) so i can edit it etc etc, when the same
patch crashes on Intel (but GRM tools also have other problems on
Intel…!!!)

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart


May 12, 2008 | 4:11 pm

Actually, the 2.4 requirement no longer applies as of 5.0.1 and later, and it would only potentially be an issue on Mac OS PowerPC machines. Intel VST on Mac requires 2.4.

If there are specific plug-ins that are not working, please let support know and we’ll investigate.

David Z.


May 12, 2008 | 6:29 pm

dfx! dfx!

also:
what is the plan to make pluggo updated to work in max5?

On May 12, 2008, at 9:11 AM, David Zicarelli wrote:

>
> Actually, the 2.4 requirement no longer applies as of 5.0.1 and
> later, and it would only potentially be an issue on Mac OS PowerPC
> machines. Intel VST on Mac requires 2.4.
>
> If there are specific plug-ins that are not working, please let
> support know and we’ll investigate.


May 12, 2008 | 9:24 pm

Quote: Kasper T Toeplitz wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 06:58
—————————————————-

> I don’t know if it is a question of plug-in or max, but in many cases
> invalid plug-ins simply did not load in PPC, when they crash the app
> on Intel
>
> GRM tools are such a case: if i don’t have my iLok, the patch loads
> on PPC (but not the plug-in) so i can edit it etc etc, when the same
> patch crashes on Intel (but GRM tools also have other problems on
> Intel…!!!)
>
> best
>
> kasper

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I suppose that the fault is not Max
because such things arrives also with a Live Ableton session
with GRM tools (also with Korg legacy by the way)
As much as Max, Live crash when Ilok or other Steinberg keys are not plugged

Eryck


May 14, 2008 | 5:57 pm

I’m running Max 5.0.2 on a PowerPC machine (Powerbook G4) and experience crashes when loading vst~s. Here’s a trick I discovered for figuring out which plug-ins are safe for Max 5.

Send the "plug" message to the "vst~" object.
Click on "column view" in the Open dialog. Or use Command+3.
When you select a vst~ the "Kind" field will show
• "VST Plug-in (Universal)" (best!)
• "VST Plug-in (PowerPC)" (works, but doesn’t display interface)
• "VST Plug-in" (crashes Max immediately)

I haven’t found a way to display this info in the Finder.

And this doesn’t help with converting older patches which happen to include a non-supported plug-in, except to open the patch in Max 4 and replace the offending vst~.


May 14, 2008 | 7:27 pm

Actually, there is a simple way to prevent older patches with unsupported vsts from crashing Max 5…

Just remove all unsupported vsts from the search path. Then Max 5 throws a simple "can’t find plug-in, using default" message instead of trying to load a bad plug-in and crashing.

Quote: Holland Hopson wrote on Wed, 14 May 2008 12:57
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> And this doesn’t help with converting older patches which happen to include a non-supported plug-in, except to open the patch in Max 4 and replace the offending vst~.
—————————————————-


May 14, 2008 | 7:34 pm

> • "VST Plug-in (Universal)" (best!)
> • "VST Plug-in (PowerPC)" (works, but doesn’t display interface)
> • "VST Plug-in" (crashes Max immediately)

Thanks for pointing out that there are really old plug-ins that we aren’t going to support any more, and in the next update, we’ll post an error instead of crashing. If you can provide a list of those in the "VST Plug-in (PowerPC)" category that are not displaying the interface properly, that would be great. I think these should ultimately work, but you realize that they too are getting on in years. It wasn’t my idea to EOL a processor, a graphics library, and an executable format within the last four years, and now even the VST 2.4 format depends on an API effectively deprecated by Apple. That’s OK, you should be running all of your software on an iPhone anyway.

David Z.


May 14, 2008 | 7:56 pm

On May 14, 2008, at 12:34 PM, David Zicarelli wrote:
> That’s OK, you should be running all of your software on an iPhone
> anyway.

I can hardly wait for the iPhone version of Max. The world of
stochastic ringtones beckons…

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com

http://www.xfade.com


May 14, 2008 | 8:12 pm

I was wondering is there a way one can create a VST bin.
That would be a bank of vst~ objects with flexible
routing. All information about plugins would be saved
in one file (including vst patch information). Basically
I would like to make a vst hub similar to NI’s KORE.
Is this possible with our current Max5 technology?


May 14, 2008 | 8:44 pm

>Actually, there is a simple way to prevent older patches with
>unsupported vsts from crashing Max 5…
>
>Just remove all unsupported vsts from the search path. Then Max 5
>throws a simple "can’t find plug-in, using default" message instead
>of trying to load a bad plug-in and crashing.

not true

it crashes very often, intead of "can’t find plug-in, using default"
- juste today i received a beta version of GRM tools which do not
crash max (when something is wrong)

best

kasper


May 15, 2008 | 6:31 am

Anthony Palomba schrieb:
> Is this possible with our current Max5 technology?

Not yet, but with Max 4.6.3 it is…

Stefan


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