Max patch in a web page?

Sep 28, 2006 at 10:26pm

Max patch in a web page?

Dear max-list,
does anybody know if there is some news about a solution to put a max patch in a web page?
I’m looking for an artifice to see and use a max patch directly with a html browser, without download it.

I knew that CNMAT was working to something like this, but I can’t find anything about it.

I’m thinking that, maybe, it is possible on the server side: I can install Max on the server, and open my patch. So, I can put in my webpage a flash animation, that communicate with Max (for instance, through Flosc).
I would create a new poly~ instance for any connected client.

But I don’t know how max could send audio through the browser… I have no idea.

Thank you very much,
Bruno

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#27870
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:49am

You could use flashserver to communicate with a servered max patch- you could even make a kinda max pictured frontend in flash.

Unfortionatly I also thought this would be a fabulous idea a few months ago, but if you check the older forums as well as the occasional new entry – the idea has been basically abandoned.

The problem with hosting max in a web page is that max is not only a powerful tool for music and video, but more importantly for data manipulation, and the ability to access the unix shell and create potentially dangerous amounts of files throughout your computer without you doing more than loading a simple patch.

As I said flashserver is the way to go, but unfortionatly direct opening of max patches seems to be off the menu for now- maybe for the future? who knows

Hope this helps and explains some of the reasons why max cant be hoested.

T

#84837
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:43am

Bruno Zamborlin wrote:
> But I don’t know how max could send audio through the browser… I
> have no idea.

You need to stream it. There is oggcast~ and shoutcast~ from Olaf
Matthes. I don’t know which browser plug-ins would be necessary on the
client side though…

Stefan


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#84838
Sep 29, 2006 at 8:17am

As i said, have a look at the flashserver objects (just google it) and I’m pretty sure there is a tutorial on that- if not you should be able to get a tutorial somewhere.
Regards
T

#84839
Sep 29, 2006 at 7:45pm

Am 29.09.2006 um 00:26 schrieb Bruno Zamborlin:
> does anybody know if there is some news about a solution to put a max
> patch in a web page?

Apparently Sonic Youth found a way:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/mp3/index.html

SCNR, g.

#84840
Sep 29, 2006 at 9:36pm

yeeh, but it looks like lee renaldo should go back to tutorials

//yac

>
> Am 29.09.2006 um 00:26 schrieb Bruno Zamborlin:
>> does anybody know if there is some news about a solution to put a max
>> patch in a web page?
>
> Apparently Sonic Youth found a way:
>
> http://www.sonicyouth.com/mp3/index.html
>
> SCNR, g.
>
>

#84841
Oct 1, 2006 at 11:51am

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 07:43
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> Bruno Zamborlin wrote:
> > But I don’t know how max could send audio through the browser… I
> > have no idea.
>
> You need to stream it. There is oggcast~ and shoutcast~ from Olaf
> Matthes. I don’t know which browser plug-ins would be necessary on the
> client side though…
>
> Stefan
> —————————————————-

Thank you, I will check these objects.

So, Flash is still the better way to do this.
One or more flash movies on the client side should communicate with a Max patch on the server side, is it right?
But the problem is : how can I handle in Max more than one connection at the same time?

Thank you all.

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#84842
Oct 1, 2006 at 12:24pm

Bruno Zamborlin wrote:

> Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 07:43
> —————————————————-
>
>>Bruno Zamborlin wrote:
>>
>>>But I don’t know how max could send audio through the browser… I
>>>have no idea.
>>
>>You need to stream it. There is oggcast~ and shoutcast~ from Olaf
>>Matthes. I don’t know which browser plug-ins would be necessary on the
>>client side though…
>>
>>Stefan
>>—————————————————-
>
>
> Thank you, I will check these objects.
>
> So, Flash is still the better way to do this.
> One or more flash movies on the client side should communicate with a Max patch on the server side, is it right?
> But the problem is : how can I handle in Max more than one connection at the same time?

That’s no problem: every Flash client says ‘hello’ to Max when it
connects. Max replies by sending this client a unique number that is
from than on used to identify this client. When you want to stream audio
back to be played in Max you’d have to have many shoutcast~ objects
running in parallel, with different mountpoints. On client connect also
send the client the name of the mountpoint you assigned to it.
Then you just have to route incoming data to instances of your patch
that are responsible for one client each. And you have to monitor
whether a client disconnects, because then the instance of your patch is
free again and can be used by another connecting client.

Okay [possible feature request], it would be really cool to have all
this working dynamically: imagine an object that would work like
subpatchers but with several instances: [p mysubpatch 32], for example,
could mean that you want up to 32 instances of this subpatch to be
running. With messages like ‘new’ or ‘exit’ you could start / stop them
and would only use as much CPU as sub patches are running. Right now
you’d have to have them all running for the max. number of clients you
want to deal with. Maybe you can switch audio processing of in sub
patches, but the whole patch will get really ugly, I guess.

The next version of flashserver will work that way, it will create new
instances of an internal sub-object for each connected client. If I can
find some funding for it, it might be possible to combine it with
shoutcast~ object to start a seperate mp3 stream as well for every Flash
client (it would dynamically create receive~s as audio inputs). But
still, in order to be able to have it create and execute complete
subpatches some changes to Max/MSP would be needed. Maybe in Max 5.0? :-)

Olaf

PS: I know [poly~], but it’s not working dynamically and there is no
easy way to access the audio inlets / outlets of the loaded patches
individually

#84843
Oct 2, 2006 at 6:01am

poly~ ? Maybe ?

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info
abstrakt.vade.info

On Oct 1, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Olaf Matthes wrote:

> Okay [possible feature request], it would be really cool to have
> all this working dynamically: imagine an object that would work
> like subpatchers but with several instances: [p mysubpatch 32], for
> example, could mean that you want up to 32 instances of this
> subpatch to be running. With messages like ‘new’ or ‘exit’ you
> could start / stop them and would only use as much CPU as sub
> patches are running. Right now you’d have to have them all running
> for the max. number of clients you want to deal with. Maybe you can
> switch audio processing of in sub patches, but the whole patch will
> get really ugly, I guess.

#84844
Oct 2, 2006 at 7:07am

You can do that with poly~.
Just start the poly~ objetc with a maximum of “n” instances and mute the ones not in use.
For a non-audio purpose it’s really good, and you can set up an high number of instances (the maximum is 1023).

F.

#84845
Oct 2, 2006 at 9:38pm

Georg Bosch wrote:
> Apparently Sonic Youth found a way:
>
> http://www.sonicyouth.com/mp3/index.html

but the big slider doesn’t work, can anybody help them? ;-)


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#84846
Apr 1, 2013 at 8:31am

I’m looking into making this happen — the sonic youth website i think is kind of a joke….
No but really, this seems quite doable: Oli has got it seemingly 90% of the way there:

https://github.com/olilarkin/maxwebcontrol

#84847
Apr 1, 2013 at 8:51am

maybe not exactly what you have in mind, but quite useful in a situation where you dont have max installed: http://www.ahmetkizilay.com/ptc/

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