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I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials and Topics book.

I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?

maxmsp-approach

start with a tutorial Max and MSP concurrently

have the tutorial texts and both Max & MSP docs open

use the help screens extensively including the links

try programming any idea that occurs to you

when you get bogged down - go back to the next tutorial

try exploring
start with a tutorial Max and MSP concurrently
have the tutorial texts and both Max & MSP docs open
use the help screens extensively including the links
try programming any idea that occurs to you
when you get bogged down - go back to the next tutorial


"I even found myself falling asleep on the keyboard (literally) trying

I have also found this. I wonder if napping serves as a way for your brain to digest the new information. I suspect it's probably more like the body rejecting an organ transplant however.

"I even found myself falling asleep on the keyboard (literally) trying
to follow a tutorial. :-)"

I have also found this.  I wonder if napping serves as a way for your brain to digest the new information.  I suspect it's probably more like the body rejecting an organ transplant however.

I have to strongly disagree with you on this.

Have found most of the tutorials very helpful, it is credit to those

who put them together that so much good work is available for other to

learn from. Testimony of this can be found on this list and other

I think that possibly we are confusing motivation, and the intrinsic

entertainment value of the tutorials. Two very different things.

Sure Max/Msp is not easy and requires some attention span, but don't

give in, keep trying, you will get there.

> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials and Topics book.

> I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?

Have found most of the tutorials very helpful, it is credit to those
who put them together that so much good work is available for other to
learn from. Testimony of this can be found on this list and  other
places like maxobjects.

I think that possibly we are confusing motivation, and the intrinsic
entertainment value of the tutorials. Two very different things.

Sure Max/Msp is not easy and requires some attention span, but don't
give in, keep trying, you will get there.

On 14/09/2007, Giulio  wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials and Topics book.
>
> I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?
>
> Best regards
>

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Department of Creative Technologies
University of Portsmouth
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Portsmouth
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www.centuryofnoise.com
www.perevillez.com


I'm with Pere on this. I have been teaching Max since 1990 and the

tutorials, topics, examples and help files are wonderful. Max/MSP is the

only program I have ever used that can successfully teach itself. I have had

many students over the years who learned it on their own with the just

I used to have a picture of Einstein on my office door with his quote

"Everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler." Many

worthwhile things are just hard work. Maybe you should switch to violin or

On 9/15/07 1:29 PM, "Pere Josep Villez" wrote:

> I have to strongly disagree with you on this.

> Have found most of the tutorials very helpful, it is credit to those

> who put them together that so much good work is available for other to

> learn from. Testimony of this can be found on this list and other

> I think that possibly we are confusing motivation, and the intrinsic

> entertainment value of the tutorials. Two very different things.

> Sure Max/Msp is not easy and requires some attention span, but don't

> give in, keep trying, you will get there.

>> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials and

>> I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?

I'm with Pere on this.  I have been teaching Max since 1990 and the
tutorials, topics, examples and help files are wonderful.  Max/MSP is the
only program I have ever used that can successfully teach itself. I have had
many students over the years who learned it on their own with the just
included documentation.

I used to have a picture of Einstein on my office door with his quote
"Everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler."  Many
worthwhile things are just hard work. Maybe you should switch to violin or
brain surgery.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On 9/15/07 1:29 PM, "Pere Josep Villez"  wrote:

> I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
>
> Have found most of the tutorials very helpful, it is credit to those
> who put them together that so much good work is available for other to
> learn from. Testimony of this can be found on this list and  other
>places like maxobjects.
>
> I think that possibly we are confusing motivation, and the intrinsic
> entertainment value of the tutorials. Two very different things.
>
> Sure Max/Msp is not easy and requires some attention span, but don't
> give in, keep trying, you will get there.
>
> As far as loosing sleep, it happens.
>
> boringly, P
>
> On 14/09/2007, Giulio  wrote:
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials and
>> Topics book.
>>
>> I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>


> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials

Yes, do it more interesting and share the result... (Docracy;-)

Giulio schrieb:
> I found the MaxMsp learning a little boring while using the Tutorials
> and Topics book.
>
> I would make my approach a little more easier: any suggestion?

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I did a slightly different approach to Max. If you have any idea, of what you want to do in Max, you can just try to solve the problem using the helpfiles of all the objects! My first patches were only copy-pasted and somehow connected helpfile-examples. Little by little, you will use less and less of them.

I would have never learned Max by doing the tutorials, because I need a task to perform. But the tutorials and example patches are great, I'm still sometimes looking there, to check out how others solved a problem. And still, after five years Maxing, I find different or easier solutions than mine.

I did a slightly different approach to Max. If you have any idea, of what you want to do in Max, you can just try to solve the problem using the helpfiles of all the objects! My first patches were only copy-pasted and somehow connected helpfile-examples. Little by little, you will use less and less of them. 

Thanks Gerald and Don Malone!!
I will follow your suggestions.

MaxMsp approach