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I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to replace my current VST host, Chainer. I just want to get some feedback from some of the PC users on the list, to ensure there aren't any known issues I should be aware of that might make me think twice about getting MAX/MSP. I am running a new Thinkpad T60p, Intel Duo core (2Ghz X 2), 2GIG of RAM, Windows XP Pro, and an Indigo IO soundcard.

Anyone anticipate any problems with this system? I have very little if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.

I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to replace my current VST host, Chainer. I just want to get some feedback from some of the PC users on the list, to ensure there aren't any known issues I should be aware of that might make me think twice about getting MAX/MSP. I am running a new Thinkpad T60p, Intel Duo core (2Ghz X 2), 2GIG of RAM, Windows XP Pro, and an Indigo IO soundcard.  

Anyone anticipate any problems with this system?  I have very little if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.

maxmsp-on-pc-laptopxp-proindigo-io-sound-card

> I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to

> Anyone anticipate any problems with this system? I have very little

> if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to

> ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.

As you know I run on a Mac, but I do have a PC-Laptop. I'll offer any 

help you need, to get you the best Krispen-imaginable VST-host of 

Krispen Hartung wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to
> replace my current VST host, Chainer.

Welcome Krispen,
I new you can't resist... ;-)

> Anyone anticipate any problems with this system?  I have very little
> if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to
> ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.

As you know I run on a Mac, but I do have a PC-Laptop. I'll offer any 
help you need, to get you the best Krispen-imaginable VST-host of 
Boise/the world...

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Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
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I mean it says XP is supported. Last time I checked there was only 1 XP, and plenty of people here use it. Why don't you download the demo?

 I mean it says XP is supported.  Last time I checked there was only 1 XP, and plenty of people here use it.  Why don't you download the demo?


Excllent. Thanks, Stefan. It will take me a while, but I'll get it down.

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 01:11

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> > I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to

> > replace my current VST host, Chainer.

> > Anyone anticipate any problems with this system? I have very little

> > if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to

> > ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.

> As you know I run on a Mac, but I do have a PC-Laptop. I'll offer any 

> help you need, to get you the best Krispen-imaginable VST-host of 

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 01:11
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> Krispen Hartung wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm a new user here and I am perhaps hours from buying MAX/MSP to
> > replace my current VST host, Chainer.
>
> Welcome Krispen,
> I new you can't resist... ;-)
>
> > Anyone anticipate any problems with this system?  I have very little
> > if any latency with with my system running Chainer, and I want to
> > ensure MAX/MSP doesn't have any issues with PC/XP.
>
> As you know I run on a Mac, but I do have a PC-Laptop. I'll offer any 
> help you need, to get you the best Krispen-imaginable VST-host of 
> Boise/the world...
>
> Stefan
>
> -- 
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
>
>
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Quote: James Aldridge wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 05:49

> I mean it says XP is supported. Last time I checked there was only 1 XP, and plenty of people here use it. Why don't you download the demo? 

That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together. It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be meaninglesss by iteself. I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.

...watch out for me in the future. :) I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.

Moreover, I look forward to learning from all of you and your posts!

Quote: James Aldridge wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 05:49
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> Silly....
>
>  I mean it says XP is supported.  Last time I checked there was only 1 XP, and plenty of people here use it.  Why don't you download the demo?  
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That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together.  It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be meaninglesss by iteself.  I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.

...watch out for me in the future. :)  I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.

I did one CPU intensive project in XP on a P4 laptop. I got near-0 latency when I was willing to give-up the headroom for processing. Otherwise, had minor, acceptable latency. This was a heavy project involving an 8x16 matrix/mixer.

The patch did have problems I didn't experience on my TiBook. When it was on and without any signals going in/out, the CPU would sometimes spike and I'd lose interface control. Don't know what the problem was, it was a one-off project and never investigated it. Could have been MSP, could have been the laptop or audio driver. Don't know.

I did one CPU intensive project in XP on a P4 laptop.  I got near-0 latency when I was willing to give-up the headroom for processing.  Otherwise, had minor, acceptable latency.  This was a heavy project involving an 8x16 matrix/mixer.

The patch did have problems I didn't experience on my TiBook.  When it was on and without any signals going in/out, the CPU would sometimes spike and I'd lose interface control.  Don't know what the problem was, it was a one-off project and never investigated it.  Could have been MSP, could have been the laptop or audio driver.  Don't know.

The near 0 latency part is encouraging. It will be interesting to see how my Intel Duo Core handles MAX/MSP. Once I get it going, I'll have to run a few objects/patches that are considered processor intensive by this forum and see what my processor utilization is. So far, on my current system with Chainer as a VST host, and a bunch of VST effects running at the same time, like Reaktor 5, and several other delay, pitch, chorus, amp emulation, and reverb VSTs running simultaneously, I haven't been able to get above 50% processor utilization. Those two, 2ghz core processors appear to be coming in handy, although they could be even more handy if Cycling 74 wrote MAX/MSP to take advantage of the duo core architecture. Some advantages come with this, above the normal increased efficiency of the duo core system.

Quote: Adam Kendall wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 12:01

> I did one CPU intensive project in XP on a P4 laptop. I got near-0 latency when I was willing to give-up the headroom for processing. Otherwise, had minor, acceptable latency. This was a heavy project involving an 8x16 matrix/mixer.

> The patch did have problems I didn't experience on my TiBook. When it was on and without any signals going in/out, the CPU would sometimes spike and I'd lose interface control. Don't know what the problem was, it was a one-off project and never investigated it. Could have been MSP, could have been the laptop or audio driver. Don't know.

Quote: Adam Kendall wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 12:01
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> I did one CPU intensive project in XP on a P4 laptop.  I got near-0 latency when I was willing to give-up the headroom for processing.  Otherwise, had minor, acceptable latency.  This was a heavy project involving an 8x16 matrix/mixer.
>
> The patch did have problems I didn't experience on my TiBook.  When it was on and without any signals going in/out, the CPU would sometimes spike and I'd lose interface control.  Don't know what the problem was, it was a one-off project and never investigated it.  Could have been MSP, could have been the laptop or audio driver.  Don't know.
>
> Adam
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I suppose if you buy a really old laptop it won't work. I can't really think of one reason why a laptop by any of the major manufacturers wouldn't work with max/msp.

The demo is your best bet. Learn about the audio setup option and set your card to ASIO. Your latency issues are more related to not being familiar with the software then they are with you having an unacceptable computer. Everything has issues/problems. Most of these so called hardware specific advantages are all in your head.

> That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together. It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be 

meaninglesss by iteself. I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.

> ...watch out for me in the future. :) I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.

> Moreover, I look forward to learning from all of you and your posts!

I suppose if you buy a really old laptop it won't work.  I can't really think of one reason why a laptop by any of the major manufacturers wouldn't work with max/msp.

The demo is your best bet. Learn about the audio setup option and set your card to ASIO.  Your latency issues are more related to not being familiar with the software then they are with you having an unacceptable computer.  Everything has issues/problems. Most of these so called hardware specific advantages are all in your head.

>
> That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together.  It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be 
meaninglesss by iteself.  I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.
>
> ...watch out for me in the future. :)  I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.
>
> Moreover, I look forward to learning from all of you and your posts!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kris
>
>
>
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> I suppose if you buy a really old laptop it won't work. I can't really think of one reason why a laptop by any of the major manufacturers wouldn't work with max/msp.

I will take your word for it, based on high probability....though when we buy a laptop, we're not necessarily buying just hardware, but a particular install of the OS, BIOS, and other proprietary configurations and applications on the computer that may or may not play well with other software. This isn't the norm, of course, but it does occur. Here is an example. The Intel Duo Core systems have their embedded high definition audio. I discovered that a handful of music applications won't even recognize the audio system on my ThinkPad because it isn't technically a sound card. Hardware? Software? Embedded software? Or was it just a problem with my new ThinkPad? If these sort of things can happen with one notebook and a piece of software, it can happen with others, MAX/MSP included. This is why many music software/hardware manufactures often put a list of tested systems on their websites, which have been tested as sound with their product. It's the system that can cause problems, not the notebook as a hardware unit, or the OS by itself, or any of the manufacturers proprietary applications, but how these things interact together as a whole.

Moreover, I am excited to get MAX/MSP on my notebook and get to work on it. I don't foresee any issues either, but I was hoping to find at least one person using a newer ThinkPad T series and Echo IO soundcard. I'll make the leap.

Quote: James Aldridge wrote on Mon, 04 September 2006 15:31

> The demo is your best bet. Learn about the audio setup option and set your card to ASIO. Your latency issues are more related to not being familiar with the software then they are with you having an unacceptable computer. Everything has issues/problems. Most of these so called hardware specific advantages are all in your head.

> > That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together. It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be 

> meaninglesss by iteself. I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.

> > ...watch out for me in the future. :) I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.

> > Moreover, I look forward to learning from all of you and your posts!

> ----------------------------------------------------

I will take your word for it, based on high probability....though when we buy a laptop, we're not necessarily buying just hardware, but a particular install of the OS, BIOS, and other proprietary configurations and applications on the computer that may or may not play well with other software.  This isn't the norm, of course, but it does occur.   Here is an example. The Intel Duo Core systems have their embedded high definition audio.  I discovered that a handful of music applications won't even recognize the audio system on my ThinkPad because it isn't technically a sound card.  Hardware? Software? Embedded software?  Or was it just a problem with my new ThinkPad?  If these sort of things can happen with one notebook and a piece of software, it can happen with others, MAX/MSP included. This is why many music software/hardware manufactures often put a list of tested systems on their websites, which have been tested as sound with their product.   It's the system that can cause problems, not the notebook as a hardware unit, or the OS by itself, or any of the manufacturers proprietary applications, but how these things interact together as a whole.  

Quote: James Aldridge wrote on Mon, 04 September 2006 15:31
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> I suppose if you buy a really old laptop it won't work.  I can't really think of one reason why a laptop by any of the major manufacturers wouldn't work with max/msp.
>
> The demo is your best bet. Learn about the audio setup option and set your card to ASIO.  Your latency issues are more related to not being familiar with the software then they are with you having an unacceptable computer.  Everything has issues/problems. Most of these so called hardware specific advantages are all in your head.
>
> >
> > That doesn't mean jack in the softwware world. Just because the documentation says it supports on OS, doesn't mean that there aren't subtle issues that may arises, because of the OS and how it is is installed on the particular notebook, BIOS, etc...the whole system works together.  It would be naive to think otherwise, which is why I posted my system components rather than just saying I was using XP Pro...would would be 
> meaninglesss by iteself.  I did try out the demo, and I experienced some latency issues right out of the shoot, but I believe I can handle those with buffer settings, etc. But before dumping $400 on a piece of software, I do like to hear some words of encouragment....in contrast to "silly" and just telling me to do something I've already done. This is a community, right? Communities help each other, I suppose...rather than posting snide responses.
> >
> > ...watch out for me in the future. :)  I demand respect and professionalism on groups like this, not people slamming each other,and I have a thick skin.
> >
> > Moreover, I look forward to learning from all of you and your posts!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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don't mind him, he's just plain rude under ANY name.

MAX/MSP on PC Laptop/XP Pro/Indigo IO Sound Card