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					<title><![CDATA[MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>frostrugo</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hey Guys,</p>
<p>I have a M4L device where I wanna send MIDI notes OUT of the device, and do feed them back to live in order to use the MIDI map function of Live.<br />
The problem is that I need more then 128 notes, so I thought I could send the same notes on different channels (using [midiformat] midi channel), but in the MIDI channel output, its only possible to to choose a single channel out.</p>
<p>So I guess Live ignores any MIDI channel information in M4L.</p>
<p>Any solution or another option to send more then 128 MIDI triggers from a single M4L device on a single MIDI out??</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Richard Garrett</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi</p>
<p>If things are not too time-critical, you could try this:</p>
<p>format your MIDI events as lists and then prefix them with your &#8220;channel number&#8221; e.g. [channel, pitch, duration, velocity]. Then use a global [send](no &#8212; in the send name)to pass the events to MIDI devices in other slots. Each of these &#8220;slave&#8221; devices could then [receive] all the event lists and [route] them according to its own index.</p>
<p>e.g master sends 1 sec of middle C at velocity 96 to slave 3:</p>
<p>[3 60 1000 96] => [send fred]</p>
<p>slave 3 gets:</p>
<p>[receive fred] => [route 3] => [60 1000 96] </p>
<p>hope this helps</p>
<p>richard</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>frostrugo</dc:creator>

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						<p>Thanks Richard,</p>
<p>I had it in mind, but this means I must go out to the IAC port and back into live twice, which I guess will make the reaction slow, plus Ill have to have 17 channels open only for mapping some buttons from my controller (OSC based).</p>
<p>Is there maybe a way to use ableton API in M4L to send massages directly into its MIDI inputs?!? In that case I could overtake the MIDI channel out completely and also the virtual IAC feedback&#8230;.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>broc</dc:creator>

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						<p>On Mac you can use Leigh Hunt&#8217;s externals to send multichannel MIDI from M4L.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.mac.com/leighhunt/iWeb/Site/downloads.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mac.com/leighhunt/iWeb/Site/downloads.html</a></p>
<p>Of course, for MIDI mapping you still need the virtual IAC feedback.</p>
<p>But instead you could use the Live API to control Live parameters directly from OSC input.</p>
<p><a href="http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/m4l-ref/m4l_live_object_model.html" rel="nofollow">http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/m4l-ref/m4l_live_object_model.html</a></p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>frostrugo</dc:creator>

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						<p>broc I owe you one this external really saved me! exactly what I was looking for!</p>
<p>btw regarding the API, is there a way to map things on-the-fly? like the midi map learn? cause if not and I have to program all the mapping in advance then its no good using in a custom OSC controller mapping device. I know there is map option in the API tools for sending control audio signals, but can one do it for solo/mute/clip launching etc&#8230; ??? couldnt find it myself&#8230;.</p>
<p>but if not&#8230; I can work it out in midi (even that i made my own controller to get rid of midi&#8230;.)</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>broc</dc:creator>

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						<p>AFAIK, mapping with API works basically for all parameters that can be mapped with MIDI.<br />
Control doesn&#8217;t have to be an audio signal but works also for simple int or float messages.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 09:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>frostrugo</dc:creator>

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						<p>you missed my point. I meant if it is possible to use the &#8216;MIDI LEARN&#8217; option, where the API in my M4L device recognize the pressed parameter.</p>
<p>In the API tools they use [path live_set view selected_parameter] for the &#8216;Map&#8217; option, which is what Im looking for, but its not working on everything like in the MIDI Map option, so no clip launching for example&#8230; anyway I looked on the API and couldn&#8217;t find an observer for clips position&#8230; which is a pity.</p>
<p>Anyway thanks man you helped indeed!</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: MIDI effect output to ALL channels, possible?!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>orange_glass</dc:creator>

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						<p>Here&#8217;s how you observe which slot is currently being played.</p>
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<p>If you want to know which slot a given clip is you good look at it&#8217;s path, not sure if you can observe that though.  </p>
<p>If you want to work out what clip/track/device is selected I think you have to look at these properties in song.view (live_set view)</p>
<p><a href="http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/m4l-ref/m4l_live_object_model.html#Song.View" rel="nofollow">http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/m4l-ref/m4l_live_object_model.html#Song.View</a></p>
<p>Hope that helps</p>
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