johnhudak@gmail.com

hello folks. i'm interested in creating some pluggo plugins that take in

midi info, and was wondering if that is, or will ever be, possible. i know

pluggos can easily deal with audio in and out, but i'd like to create a

simple midi filter, similar to the ones available in ableton live. i want

to be able to filter out notes that are double hit too quickly, to adjust

the length of time the notes are held, and to adjust the amount of time

between notes, among other things. i know it is possible to do this within

hello folks.  i'm interested in creating some pluggo plugins that take in
midi info, and was wondering if that is, or will ever be, possible.  i know
pluggos can easily deal with audio in and out, but i'd like to create a
simple midi filter, similar to the ones available in ableton live.   i want
to be able to filter out notes that are double hit too quickly, to adjust
the length of time the notes are held, and to adjust the amount of time
between notes, among other things.  i know it is possible to do this within
a max/msp patch, but...

midi-in-pluggos-possible

bine~, when posting this kind of replies, maybe you could offer a 

reference to the proper page as well? MaxMSP is a complex language 

and the documentation quite extensive. Maybe we should adopt some of 

the friendly attitude towards new users from the Csound list? On that 

list the following is posted twice a month:

This is a periodic reminder. The Csound list welcomes posts from

people with ALL levels of skill, from the newest newbie to the most

serious hacker. The subject and tenor of the posts vary

dramatically depending on what the current questions are. Newbies are

sometimes afraid to post because they read discussions about the

incomprehensible deep inner workings, and all they want to know is how

to get a sound to come out of their iBook. Rest assured that your

question will be answered quickly, and (usually) in a helpful and

courteous manner. We've all been there. Please post.

John, check out PluggoDev35pdfin the Ploggo folder, in particular the 

bine~, when posting this kind of replies, maybe you could offer a  
reference to the proper page as well? MaxMSP is a complex language  
and the documentation quite extensive. Maybe we should adopt some of  
the friendly attitude towards new users from the Csound list? On that  
list the following is posted twice a month:

This is a periodic reminder.  The Csound list welcomes posts from
people with ALL levels of skill, from the newest newbie to the most
serious hacker.  The subject and tenor of the posts vary
dramatically depending on what the current questions are.  Newbies are
sometimes afraid to post because they read discussions about the
incomprehensible deep inner workings, and all they want to know is how
to get a sound to come out of their iBook.  Rest assured that your
question will be answered quickly, and (usually) in a helpful and
courteous manner.  We've all been there.  Please post.

John, check out PluggoDev35pdfin the Ploggo folder, in particular the  
introduction and tutorial 8 and 9.

i agree we need to be nice with newbies, since we've been newbies too. 

but this is not the Csound list, the volume of messages on the max list 

is crazy. the average on the csound list is about 5 messages a day, so 

yeah they need to encourage people to post.. max is so well documented 

that we should never see a post asking about a toggle or the select 

object because it is really the basic logic behind max and proves that 

the person has not even tried to find an answer on his own.. newbies 

usually don't piss me off, laziness does.

i agree we need to be nice with newbies, since we've been newbies too. 
but this is not the Csound list, the volume of messages on the max list 
is crazy. the average on the csound list is about 5 messages a day, so 
yeah they need to encourage people to post.. max is so well documented 
that we should never see a post asking about a toggle or the select 
object because it is really the basic logic behind max and proves that 
the person has not even tried to find an answer on his own.. newbies 
usually don't piss me off, laziness does.

That's OK. If you want a coffee break, here's a recommendation for 

http://www.johnhudak.net/article.php3?id_article=24

That's OK. If you want a coffee break, here's a recommendation for  
some good music to go along with it:

> bine~, when posting this kind of replies, maybe you could offer a 

> reference to the proper page as well? MaxMSP is a complex language 

sorry to add one on top: the MAXMSP documents 

definetly do not explain the guy how his VST 

or AU host program works, no matter how often 

even if you tell them "look into plugmidiin.help"

that is not a helpful reply and will only cause 

new posts to the list of subject "why does 

i could start giving a good example now by simply

answering his question but i am not in a mood tonight.

> bine~, when posting this kind of replies, maybe you could offer a  
> reference to the proper page as well? MaxMSP is a complex language  
> and the documentation quite extensive.

sorry to add one on top: the MAXMSP documents 
definetly do not explain the guy how his VST 
or AU host program works, no matter how often 
he reads them.

even if you tell them "look into plugmidiin.help"
that is not a helpful reply and will only cause 
new posts to the list of subject "why does 
plug-midiin not work in LAP".

i could start giving a good example now by simply
answering his question but i am not in a mood tonight.

well, i'm not a noobie, but no offense taken.

just to let people know that at one point, not too long ago, it wasn't

possible to pass midi in pluggos (especially within ableton live) without a

just to let people know that at one point, not too long ago, it wasn't
possible to pass midi in pluggos (especially within ableton live) without a
workaround.


runtime threading issues with either midi

in or out in live 4 which could be solved 

well, the answer to your question remains

last week there was a post in the pluggo forum

about something with midi which also do not

_logic does not support [plugmidi ..]; but in 

OS 9 / windows LAP you could use midiin instead 

no idea about LAP 7 with AU pluggo but my guess 

what you could do in LAP 7 AU though is using a 

few [pp] s of range 0 127 and leave the rest to 

from what i remember the _live thing was fixed

and [plugmidin] and [plugmidiout] work in VST 

i am not a noobie either, but i am currently 

building my first standalone ever from a recent 

hell i _am a noobie! i am not even able to close 

the program without a midi-warning on next launch!

yeah i vaguely remeber something about 
runtime threading issues with either midi
in or out in live 4 which could be solved 
by putting a [delay 0] in front of it
in _live 4.x.

well, the answer to your question remains
"it depends on the host".
last week there was a post in the pluggo forum
about something with midi which also do not
work in SX without a workaround.

_logic does not support [plugmidi ..]; but in 
OS 9 / windows LAP you could use midiin instead 
of plugmidiin.

no idea about LAP 7 with AU pluggo but my guess 
is it is not supportet.
what you could do in LAP 7 AU though is using a 
few [pp] s of range 0 127 and leave the rest to 
LAP. :)

from what i remember the _live thing was fixed
and [plugmidin] and [plugmidiout] work in VST 
pluggo in _live now.

i am not a noobie either, but i am currently 
building my first standalone ever from a recent 
live performance patch. 
hell i _am a noobie! i am not even able to close 
the program without a midi-warning on next launch!

midi in pluggos possible?