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is it possible to create a (vst) plugin with max/msp and pluggo and have it send midi ?

I know VST plugins can accept midi and generate audio but what about generating midi?

midi-out-from-plugin-created-with-pluggo

Quote: bestanf@yahoo.com wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 12:47

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> is it possible to create a (vst) plugin with max/msp and pluggo and have it send midi ?

> I know VST plugins can accept midi and generate audio but what about generating midi? 

Even though there is an object in pluggo / max/msp to send midi out of a plugin, I've heard not all plugin hosts support such behaviour. Is this true?

Quote: bestanf@yahoo.com wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 12:47
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> hi,
>
> is it possible to create a (vst) plugin with max/msp and pluggo and have it send midi ?
>
> I know VST plugins can accept midi and generate audio but what about generating midi? 
>
> thanks,
> Bert
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Even though there is an object in pluggo / max/msp to send midi out of a plugin, I've heard not all plugin hosts support such behaviour. Is this true?


there is a plugmidiout object coming with MAX, think 

live, cubase, nuendo would support it if [plugmidiout]

would properly support these programs - i dont know if

they do, but i use midi plug-ins intensively on Mac OS 9

since years. unfortunately midi IN does not work in effects,

but everything else works as exspected (i.e. equivalent to

there is a plugmidiout object coming with MAX, think 
about it.

live, cubase, nuendo would support it if [plugmidiout]
would properly support these programs - i dont know if
they do, but i use midi plug-ins intensively on Mac OS 9
since years. unfortunately midi IN does not work in effects,
but everything else works as exspected (i.e. equivalent to
VST 2.1)


check the patch for this plugin i made a while ago. u should get an idea of how to send midi from pluggo plugins to ur host.

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=23017&start=0&rid=789&S=7c93f3be0b6768a3ac12d1492927f380

however, as roman points out the difficulty is in getting it to work well across a number of hosts. each one has its own quirks like different versions of the VST SDK standard...

personnally, i have managed to get MIDI to work ok in live 6. but havent bothered to test on other VST hosts.

Quote: Roman Thilenius wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 13:09

> there is a plugmidiout object coming with MAX, think 

> live, cubase, nuendo would support it if [plugmidiout]

> would properly support these programs - i dont know if

> they do, but i use midi plug-ins intensively on Mac OS 9

> since years. unfortunately midi IN does not work in effects,

> but everything else works as exspected (i.e. equivalent to

Does that mean you expect plugmidiout to work in effects as well? Do you have an example of how one would use that in a host?

Quote: Roman Thilenius wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 13:09
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>
> there is a plugmidiout object coming with MAX, think 
> about it.
>
> live, cubase, nuendo would support it if [plugmidiout]
> would properly support these programs - i dont know if
> they do, but i use midi plug-ins intensively on Mac OS 9
> since years. unfortunately midi IN does not work in effects,
> but everything else works as exspected (i.e. equivalent to
> VST 2.1)
>
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>>> Does that mean you expect plugmidiout to work in effects as well? Do you have an example of how one would use that in a host?

take a copy of Pro-52 instrument and try to control

its filter knob from a copy of FM-7 effect in your host.

the setup is different in every host program so i cant be 

more specific. in SX it is a bit different from VST, where 

take a copy of Pro-52 instrument and try to control
its filter knob from a copy of FM-7 effect in your host.

the setup is different in every host program so i cant be 
more specific. in SX it is a bit different from VST, where 
it was really easy.

I'm still stuck while tying to make ableton live recognize a pluggo as a midi effect.

Justin, is it correct that you managed to make that happen? The patch you are referring to doesn't seem to open here. Would it be possible for you to post the patch again inside a zip or in text?

Quote: justin wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 18:37

> check the patch for this plugin i made a while ago. u should get an idea of how to send midi from pluggo plugins to ur host.

> however, as roman points out the difficulty is in getting it to work well across a number of hosts. each one has its own quirks like different versions of the VST SDK standard...

> personnally, i have managed to get MIDI to work ok in live 6. but havent bothered to test on other VST hosts.

I'm still stuck while tying to make ableton live recognize a pluggo as a midi effect. 

Quote: justin wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 18:37
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> check the patch for this plugin i made a while ago. u should get an idea of how to send midi from pluggo plugins to ur host.
>
> https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=23017&start=0&rid=789&S=7c93f3be0b6768a3ac12d1492927f380
>
> however, as roman points out the difficulty is in getting it to work well across a number of hosts. each one has its own quirks like different versions of the VST SDK standard...
>
> personnally, i have managed to get MIDI to work ok in live 6. but havent bothered to test on other VST hosts.
>
> j
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Quote: Mattijs wrote on Wed, 28 February 2007 14:15

> I'm still stuck while tying to make ableton live recognize a pluggo as a midi effect. 

> Justin, is it correct that you managed to make that happen? The patch you are referring to doesn't seem to open here. Would it be possible for you to post the patch again inside a zip or in text?

yep i managed to get it to work in live 601-603, i havent had time to test any of the latest versions (605-606).

the trick for me was to turn it into an instrument, then the plugin could process midi. i dont think it worked when i tried to make it as an effect...

the patch was just an idea for something i would like to finish off after the project i'm currently working on. so to cut a long story short, its got bugs!

Quote: Mattijs wrote on Wed, 28 February 2007 14:15
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> Hi Justin and others,
>
> I'm still stuck while tying to make ableton live recognize a pluggo as a midi effect. 
>
> Justin, is it correct that you managed to make that happen? The patch you are referring to doesn't seem to open here. Would it be possible for you to post the patch again inside a zip or in text?

> yep i managed to get it to work in live 601-603, i havent had time to test any of the latest versions (605-606).

> the trick for me was to turn it into an instrument, then the plugin could process midi. i dont think it worked when i tried to make it as an effect...

i should probably clarify that it wasnt processing midi data from live midi track. the plugin generates midi CC msg in an LFO manner, so u can assign to filter on a synth or whatever...

u should still be able to process midi data, but the difficulty is in recording it. when u turn the pluggo into an instrument, once inserted on a midi track, the output in live turns to an audio stereo pair.

this is no good for midi data, so u have to use another midi track and choose input from live midi track with pluggo plugin, and the device is pluggo midi plugin (replaced by name of pluggo).

it's a bit of a fiddly way to do things, but it worked for me.

(ps. i hope i remembered this correctly!)

> yep i managed to get it to work in live 601-603, i havent had time to test any of the latest versions (605-606).
>
> the trick for me was to turn it into an instrument, then the plugin could process midi. i dont think it worked when i tried to make it as an effect...

I had the same problem, when I put a plugin instrument on the midi track it changes into an instrument track, thus disabling midi output. I didn't know about the possibility to select the output of a midi track as the input of another midi track.

Everything works as I need (be it with a bit of a work-aroundish feel).

Only now I would desperately like to route some audio from Max back into Ableton but it doesn't seem to be possible to select soundflower or an aggregate device as audio input. When I select one of them the dropdown stubbornly jumps back to 'No Device'.

Quote: justin wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 15:44

> > yep i managed to get it to work in live 601-603, i havent had time to test any of the latest versions (605-606).

> > the trick for me was to turn it into an instrument, then the plugin could process midi. i dont think it worked when i tried to make it as an effect...

> i should probably clarify that it wasnt processing midi data from live midi track. the plugin generates midi CC msg in an LFO manner, so u can assign to filter on a synth or whatever...

> u should still be able to process midi data, but the difficulty is in recording it. when u turn the pluggo into an instrument, once inserted on a midi track, the output in live turns to an audio stereo pair.

> this is no good for midi data, so u have to use another midi track and choose input from live midi track with pluggo plugin, and the device is pluggo midi plugin (replaced by name of pluggo).

> it's a bit of a fiddly way to do things, but it worked for me.

> (ps. i hope i remembered this correctly!)

Everything works as I need (be it with a bit of a work-aroundish feel). 

Quote: justin wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 15:44
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> > yep i managed to get it to work in live 601-603, i havent had time to test any of the latest versions (605-606).
> >
> > the trick for me was to turn it into an instrument, then the plugin could process midi. i dont think it worked when i tried to make it as an effect...
>
> i should probably clarify that it wasnt processing midi data from live midi track. the plugin generates midi CC msg in an LFO manner, so u can assign to filter on a synth or whatever...
>
> u should still be able to process midi data, but the difficulty is in recording it. when u turn the pluggo into an instrument, once inserted on a midi track, the output in live turns to an audio stereo pair.
>
> this is no good for midi data, so u have to use another midi track and choose input from live midi track with pluggo plugin, and the device is pluggo midi plugin (replaced by name of pluggo).
>
> it's a bit of a fiddly way to do things, but it worked for me.
>
> (ps. i hope i remembered this correctly!)
>
> ez
>
> j
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Quote: bestanf@yahoo.com wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 20:47

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=23776&start=0&rid=3579&S=b587e1efaf81666c7a210656afa87f0a

Quote: bestanf@yahoo.com wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 20:47
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> hi,
>
> is it possible to create a (vst) plugin with max/msp and pluggo and have it send midi ?
>
> I know VST plugins can accept midi and generate audio but what about generating midi? 
>
> thanks,
> Bert
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Have a look here:
https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=23776&start=0&rid=3579&S=b587e1efaf81666c7a210656afa87f0a


Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:58

> Only now I would desperately like to route some audio from Max back into Ableton but it doesn't seem to be possible to select soundflower or an aggregate device as audio input. When I select one of them the dropdown stubbornly jumps back to 'No Device'.

> Has anyone got experience with this one?

Ok, I got it working with Rewire. But not with soundflower or an aggregate device that contains soundflower. I have had bad experiences with rewire (lot of crashes etc), so the question still stands.

Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:58
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> Only now I would desperately like to route some audio from Max back into Ableton but it doesn't seem to be possible to select soundflower or an aggregate device as audio input. When I select one of them the dropdown stubbornly jumps back to 'No Device'.
>
> Has anyone got experience with this one?
>

Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:11

> Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:58

> ----------------------------------------------------

> > Only now I would desperately like to route some audio from Max back into Ableton but it doesn't seem to be possible to select soundflower or an aggregate device as audio input. When I select one of them the dropdown stubbornly jumps back to 'No Device'.

> > Has anyone got experience with this one?

> Ok, I got it working with Rewire. But not with soundflower or an aggregate device that contains soundflower. I have had bad experiences with rewire (lot of crashes etc), so the question still stands.

yep same here, soundflower is not possible with ableton live...

i havent used rewire for ages, but it use to be quite stable once i got it working. but the last time i did that was with live 5...

i have heard of problems with live 6 and reason in rewire mode, so i would assume there are "under the hood problems". ; )

maybe post the rewire part of the patch to see if i can get it working?

Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:11
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> Quote: Mattijs wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 16:58
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > Only now I would desperately like to route some audio from Max back into Ableton but it doesn't seem to be possible to select soundflower or an aggregate device as audio input. When I select one of them the dropdown stubbornly jumps back to 'No Device'.
> >
> > Has anyone got experience with this one?
> >
>
> Ok, I got it working with Rewire. But not with soundflower or an aggregate device that contains soundflower. I have had bad experiences with rewire (lot of crashes etc), so the question still stands.
>
> Cheers,
> Mattijs 
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yep same here, soundflower is not possible with ableton live...
i havent used rewire for ages, but it use to be quite stable once i got it working. but the last time i did that was with live 5...

omg, i thought it wasn't possible to do this in Nuendo, but you're right, the trick is turning the Pluggo into an instrument. 

omg, i thought it wasn't possible to do this in Nuendo, but you're right, the trick is turning the Pluggo into an instrument. 
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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