phiol

I already posted this question but I rereading myself I thought I'd rephrase it to make it more straight forward.

- how does the time duration in the midi object [makenote] work.

and how could I use the same principle on a sample.

I already posted this question but I rereading myself I thought I'd rephrase it to make it more straight forward.  

- how does the time duration in the midi object [makenote] work.
and how could I use the same principle on a sample.

Thanks again 
and sorry for the same topic repost.

midi-sustain-principle-applied-to-a-sample

[makenote] generates pairs of note-on and note-off midi messages and, as 

such, doesn't intrinsically do anything with respect to the heard 

result (midi only knows about control messages, not how they're 

Supposing the recipient of such a message was a bog-standard synth or 

sampler (and speaking *very* generally), the 'sustain' part of the sound 

(in the middle) might be looped until a note-off is received, at which 

point the 'release' would play (most likely a decay tail).

It's not totally clear what you're after; if you're interested in 

extending a sound, there's all kinds of ways that have different effects 

and trade-offs. For example, looping a section in the middle of a sound 

only makes sense if that section is pretty periodic, and has a stable 

amplitude envelope. Other approaches might include a gradually advancing 

small loop through some portion, like granular time stretches. Your OP 

about piano sustain is more like a reverb effect.

What, more precisely, are you trying to do? Build a sustain control for 

a sampler? Time-stretch sounds in general?

> I already posted this question but I rereading myself I thought I'd

> rephrase it to make it more straight forward.

> - how does the time duration in the midi object [makenote] work. and

> how could I use the same principle on a sample.

> Thanks again and sorry for the same topic repost.

> phil _______________________________________________ maxmsp mailing

[makenote] generates pairs of note-on and note-off midi messages and, as 
  such, doesn't intrinsically do anything with respect to the heard 
result (midi only knows about control messages, not how they're 
interpreted).

Supposing the recipient of such a message was a bog-standard synth or 
sampler (and speaking *very* generally), the 'sustain' part of the sound 
(in the middle) might be looped until a note-off is received, at which 
point the 'release' would play (most likely a decay tail).

It's not totally clear what you're after; if you're interested in 
extending a sound, there's all kinds of ways that have different effects 
and trade-offs. For example, looping a section in the middle of a sound 
only makes sense if that section is pretty periodic, and has a stable 
amplitude envelope. Other approaches might include a gradually advancing 
small loop through some portion, like granular time stretches. Your OP 
about piano sustain is more like a reverb effect.

What, more precisely, are you trying to do? Build a sustain control for 
a sampler? Time-stretch sounds in general?

phil wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I already posted this question but I rereading myself I thought I'd
> rephrase it to make it more straight forward.
>
> - how does the time duration in the midi object [makenote] work. and
> how could I use the same principle on a sample.
>
>
> Thanks again and sorry for the same topic repost.
>
> phil _______________________________________________ maxmsp mailing
>

As you said, any approach has a trade of.

-What, more precisely, are you trying to do? Build a sustain control for

>>What i want is basically have over the release Amp envelop (like you would for a synth). But instead of being oscillator waves it would be a sample.

-Other approaches might include a gradually advancing

small loop through some portion, like granular time stretches.

>> that has been the closest one that I have tried so far, well actually it was a phase vocoder, (same fft principle) but although it is a great effect in itself, the timbre is somewhat to altered.

-Your OP about piano sustain is more like a reverb effect.

>> Yes and no? I feel reverb has more of an identity in itself. (echo in a cave sound)

As for my sustain piano example, it is much more similar to the Amp release (turned almost way up) on a synth.

Maybe this would help to clearify even more?

- Yesterday, I was playing around on a friend's nord lead. I manually played around with the Amp's Attack and release a lot to create desire morphing fade-ins.

So I thought to myself, it would be nice if instead of synth sounds, i could use samples. And thought the same sort of thing happens when I play with the [makenote]'s duration.

As you said, any approach has a trade of. 

-What, more precisely, are you trying to do? Build a sustain control for
a sampler?

>>What i want is basically have over the release Amp envelop (like you would for a synth). But instead of being oscillator waves it would be a sample. 

-Other approaches might include a gradually advancing
small loop through some portion, like granular time stretches. 

>> Yes and no? I feel reverb has more of an identity in itself. (echo in a cave sound)
As for my sustain piano example, it is much more similar to the   Amp release (turned almost way up) on a synth. 

Maybe this would help to clearify even more?
- Yesterday, I was playing around  on a friend's nord lead. I manually played around with the Amp's Attack and release a lot to create desire morphing fade-ins. 

-thanks alot for the efforts.
Hope to hear from you soon 

>>What i want is basically to have control over the release Amp envelop (like you would for a synth). But instead of being oscillator waves it would be a sample.

-Other approaches might include a gradually advancing
small loop through some portion, like granular time stretches.

>> Yes and no? I feel reverb has more of an identity in itself. (echo in a cave sound)
As for my sustain piano example, it is much more similar to the Amp release (turned almost way up) on a synth.

Maybe this would help to clearify even more?
- Yesterday, I was playing around on a friend's nord lead. I manually played around with the Amp's Attack and release a lot to create desire morphing fade-ins.

-thanks a lot for the efforts.
Hope to hear from you soon

midi sustain principle applied to a sample?