midoout in an instrument

Nov 26, 2009 at 8:08pm

midoout in an instrument

Hi,

why midout doesn’t send out anymore from an instrument ?
i’m quite sure it worked.

i need to send a note from the instrument to another midi track.

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thx.
f./

#46802
Nov 26, 2009 at 8:09pm

oups it was not the right code :

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#168348
Nov 27, 2009 at 5:42pm

Instruments can’t output MIDI. Only MIDI Effects can.

#168349
Nov 28, 2009 at 3:50pm

merci emmanuel,

so what is the best method to send midi from it ?
i finally sent a message by [send] -> [receive].
is it a better way ?
thx.
f./

#168350
Nov 28, 2009 at 8:05pm

In my experience using send/receive is problematic in two aspects:

1. Inaccurate timing. I’ve measured jitter in the order of 10 ms.

2. Unreliable. I’ve noticed that sometimes data are not transmitted.

I’ve never experienced similar problems with Max standalone.

#168351
Nov 28, 2009 at 11:28pm

Send/receive is the best so far. There’s indeed some timing issue due to the fact that each device might be in different thread.

#168352
Dec 4, 2009 at 9:04pm

Hello!

I want to convert my many pluggo instruments and effects I made to the max4live system. Unfortunately if this is true that only midi effects can send midi out, some of my effects will be impossible to convert.

for example, I have an effect that grabs an audio signal and converts the pitch to midi notes. In my pluggo version of the effect, I would just stick it on an audio track and then open a midi track and direct its in to the audio tracks midi out for that effect. Why would this not be possible to achieve with the M4L architecture? This is really important and is part of the basic vst architecture… If the live or m4l architecture doesn’t currently support it, we should make it a priority for the next update.

thanks.

#168353
Dec 4, 2009 at 9:08pm

send and receive is not a good option as a replacement for real midi out which used to be one of the most useful things in pluggo…

#168354
Dec 5, 2009 at 12:19am

Please consider the use of send and receive in this way to be a version 1 solution which we have plans to better.

-A

#168355
Dec 23, 2009 at 9:39am

Same problem here. I had a triggering device built in pluggo, that would take a midi input to set the pitch of the triggered note and then send it out with the velocity of the triggered note if the signal input rose over a threshold. so i need a pair of plugin and -out as well as notein and -out, but no good. Is there a way to route audio into an instrument or midi device (sort of like in the vocoder effect or others allowing for sidechaining?) Or is it better not to use the audio but rather try to just grab the levels from a gain in the desired track?

#168356
Dec 23, 2009 at 2:56pm

What about OSC ? Could it be used to override the send/receive problem, and the midi channels limitation ? Or is it worse ?

#168357
Dec 23, 2009 at 6:12pm

In my experience the timing behavior of OSC is basically the same as send/receive. With a minimum configuration of 2 simple devices I’ve measured delay/jitter of about 10 milliseconds in both cases. You can easily verify this with the timer object.

#168358
Mar 16, 2010 at 1:30pm

“Please consider the use of send and receive in this way to be a version 1 solution which we have plans to better.

-A”

Andrew, do you have an approximate timeline for the send/receive update? Will it allow send to mixer devices as well as other device racks?

#168359
Mar 23, 2010 at 12:49am

“Hello!

I want to convert my many pluggo instruments and effects I made to the max4live system. Unfortunately if this is true that only midi effects can send midi out, some of my effects will be impossible to convert.

for example, I have an effect that grabs an audio signal and converts the pitch to midi notes. In my pluggo version of the effect, I would just stick it on an audio track and then open a midi track and direct its in to the audio tracks midi out for that effect. Why would this not be possible to achieve with the M4L architecture? This is really important and is part of the basic vst architecture… If the live or m4l architecture doesn’t currently support it, we should make it a priority for the next update.

thanks.”

Look at what you can do by using the vst~ and/or audiounit~ objects in a max audio device.
Great for things like guitar synth…

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