Cycling 74 » Topic: [modulo] ? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/feed Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:18:09 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-59895 <![CDATA[[modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-59895 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:42:02 +0000 stfn hello

I am looking for an equivalent of the [modulo] object (of puredata) in maxmsp

the modulo is a math operator a bit equivalent to % instead that with negative value it doesn’t output the same thing:

(e.g. if I want [modulo 33] of -1 give 0 and [modulo 33] of -2 give 32 [modulo 33] of -33 give 1)

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215637 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215637 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:18:51 +0000 broc As far as I know puredata has a [mod] operator equivalent to % in Max.

Can you point to some definition/documentation of your [modulo] object?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215638 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215638 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:00:27 +0000 stfn sorry I mean the [mod] object
and [%] doesn’t handle negatives value in the same way [mod] does

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215639 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215639 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:12:25 +0000 broc But there should be a proper documentation how [mod] handles negative values.
What you describe looks rather strange to me..

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215640 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215640 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:16:59 +0000 stfn from pd documentation :
[mod] takes a number in its left inlet and will divide that number by either the creation argument or the number given at its left inlet and will produce the value of the remainder at its outlet. If no creation argument is given, then the default value is 1

(nothing about negative values)

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215641 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215641 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:21:18 +0000 Roman Thilenius use expr?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215642 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215642 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:57:02 +0000 stfn yes

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215643 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215643 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:17:12 +0000 Peter Castine The Max [%] object handles modulo exactly the way most C implementations do, which is mathematically incorrect.

[expr] may do the trick, otherwise hang a [if $i1 >= 0 then $i1 else out2 $i1] after the [mod] object. Hang a [+] object after the if’s second outlet, make sure the [+] operand is set to your modulo. Et voilà!

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215644 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215644 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:19:22 +0000 broc Interesting. So does pd have a mathematically correct implementation of modulo?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215645 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215645 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:01:40 +0000 jvkr “Boute argues that Euclidean division is superior to the other ones in terms of regularity and useful mathematical properties, although floored division, promoted by Knuth, is also a good definition. Despite its widespread use, truncated division is shown to be inferior to the other definitions.”

pd (apparently) uses Euclidean, max truncated division.

http://legacy.cs.uu.nl/daan/download/papers/divmodnote.pdf

Time for an attribute?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215646 <![CDATA[Re: [modulo] ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/modulo/#post-215646 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:26:24 +0000 broc Thanks for the link. Euclidean modulo seems useful in practice (eg. result is always positive).
So based on the article I’ve made an abstraction for usage in Max.

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