Mysterious little indicator

Dec 14, 2009 at 12:52pm

Mysterious little indicator

When building M4L devices I sometimes get a little indicator (white or red) in the upper left corner of GUI elements. What does it mean exactly and how can it be cleared?

Dec 14, 2009 at 4:24pm

the indicators usually mean that you have an automated parameter.


Dec 14, 2009 at 5:03pm

That’s strange as I’m currently not using any automated parameters. However, the affected GUI elements are controlled in some way by send/receive messages. And the indicators magically appear somewhere in the process of editing and testing my devices.

Dec 14, 2009 at 5:05pm

Can you give me a list of steps I can follow to reproduce?



Dec 14, 2009 at 5:40pm

Unfortunately, so far I haven’t found a pattern to reproduce this behavior.
But I’ll investigate further and report any relevant findings.

Thanks for your interest.

Dec 15, 2009 at 5:10pm


now I’m able to reproduce the behavior with an example (attached).

The device simply allows to start and stop Live’s transport.
Load it on a MIDI track and see how it works using its play button.

Now, press the *record* button in Live’s transport and start/stop again.
After this I’m getting the automation indicator on the play button!

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Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12pm

Thanks for the example. As far as i can tell it happens because you use a “live” Max object which

- writes into Live´s Undo history and-
- acts like all other Live parameters when using the global record button, although in this case you won´t see a breakpoint envelope.

Dec 15, 2009 at 6:54pm

I’m a bit confused. Are you saying the behavior is normal/intended?

Dec 15, 2009 at 7:26pm

Yes, absolutely – it´s a feature.

Dec 15, 2009 at 7:43pm

Thanks, I didn’t realize the effect of the global record button.
Is this explained somewhere in detail?

Dec 15, 2009 at 8:39pm

Automation is covered in Live´s manual chapter 18.

Dec 15, 2009 at 11:36pm

Ok, mystery solved.

Dec 15, 2009 at 11:38pm

Christian is right that’s a feature, and the expected behavior from any parameter in Live. However in this specific example, I don’t think you want the live.text’s play object to be seen as an automatable parameter, if you set the parameter visibility to hidden in the object’s inspector it won’t be stored in the preset or the automation.

Dec 16, 2009 at 10:41am

Thanks Emmanuel, that option is exactly what I need. I just didn’t expect that Live automates “everything” by default but basically appreciate the concept.


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