Is it somehow possible to define the default size of an object? I was expecting this in Object Defaults, but it's not there.

For example, the toggle, button and inlet/outlet objects are to my taste pretty big by default. Can I change this somehow? 

Can we have default sizes for all objects in Objects defaults in a future version of Max?

For example, the toggle, button and inlet/outlet objects are to my taste pretty big by default. Can I change this somehow? 
Can we have default sizes for all objects in Objects defaults in a future version of Max?

object-sizes-in-object-defaults

I think you are misunderstanding what "Object Defaults" is. I agree that it's ambiguously named. This is really for visual characteristics which are by default not saved in a patcher. So it's more for theme-like behavior rather than setting up initial attribute values which *are* stored in your patch. Given this, I think that it's easy to see why you don't want the size of a toggle to change between themes, since boxes would overlap when opened on other users machines.

I'd recommend you check out prototypes for different sized toggles, or other things that aren't part of "Object Defaults".

I think you are misunderstanding what "Object Defaults" is. I agree that it's ambiguously named. This is really for visual characteristics which are by default not saved in a patcher. So it's more for theme-like behavior rather than setting up initial attribute values which *are* stored in your patch. Given this, I think that it's easy to see why you don't want the size of a toggle to change between themes, since boxes would overlap when opened on other users machines. 

Quote: jkc wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 19:08

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> I think you are misunderstanding what "Object Defaults" is. I agree that it's ambiguously named. This is really for visual characteristics which are by default not saved in a patcher. So it's more for theme-like behavior rather than setting up initial attribute values which *are* stored in your patch. Given this, I think that it's easy to see why you don't want the size of a toggle to change between themes, since boxes would overlap when opened on other users machines.

Maybe the default sizes could be set on a new tab in the Max preferences? Like default font, system font, grid size etc? These options are also overruled by what is stored on patch level, so it wouldn't break existing patches, just provide a default for new patches.

The default sizes are stored somewhere, right? All I'm suggesting is providing a way of customizing them.

> I'd recommend you check out prototypes for different sized toggles, or other things that aren't part of "Object Defaults".

Quote: jkc wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 19:08
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> I think you are misunderstanding what "Object Defaults" is. I agree that it's ambiguously named. This is really for visual characteristics which are by default not saved in a patcher. So it's more for theme-like behavior rather than setting up initial attribute values which *are* stored in your patch. Given this, I think that it's easy to see why you don't want the size of a toggle to change between themes, since boxes would overlap when opened on other users machines. 

>
> I'd recommend you check out prototypes for different sized toggles, or other things that aren't part of "Object Defaults".

> The default sizes are stored somewhere, right? All I'm suggesting is

I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with 

Easiest would be to store a prototype, and get Max to use that instead 

Klaas-Jan Govaart schrieb:
> The default sizes are stored somewhere, right? All I'm suggesting is
> providing a way of customizing them.

I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with 
maxinterface.json?

Easiest would be to store a prototype, and get Max to use that instead 
of the original one...

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On 2 mai 08, at 10:16, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with 

> Easiest would be to store a prototype, and get Max to use that 

As Joshua said, prototype is the way to go.

> I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with  
> maxinterface.json?

> Easiest would be to store a prototype, and get Max to use that  
> instead of the original one...

> As Joshua said, prototype is the way to go.

Its not, as its not typing a single letter...

Emmanuel Jourdan schrieb:
> As Joshua said, prototype is the way to go.

Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 12:33

> On 2 mai 08, at 10:16, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> > I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with 

So where are the default sizes stored? Not in a editable file?

Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 12:33
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> On 2 mai 08, at 10:16, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
> > I would like that too, maybe there is a way to customize it with  
> > maxinterface.json?
>
> No there's not.

On 5 mai 08, at 20:34, Klaas-Jan Govaart wrote:

> So where are the default sizes stored? Not in a editable file?

The default size is stored in the object itself. Use the prototypes!

Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 23:13

> The default size is stored in the object itself. Use the prototypes!

Ok, so instead of hitting t for toggle and then resizing it, using prototypes I can hit t for toggle, then right click it, and then select the size I want from the prototype submenu. I might as well resize it manually.

Prototypes don't really make it any easier or faster, just different.

I was hoping for a way to set the default for objects that are used a lot, like toggles, buttons, inlets, outlets, sliders etc.

I would like to just hit n, type inlet and get the size I want, hit t and get the size I want, hit b and get the size I want.

I understand that if the defaults are compiled into the objects, this is not possible.

Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 23:13
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> The default size is stored in the object itself. Use the prototypes!
>
> ej
>

Ok, so instead of hitting t for toggle and then resizing it, using prototypes I can hit t for toggle, then right click it, and then select the size I want from the prototype submenu. I might as well resize it manually.
Prototypes don't really make it any easier or faster, just different.

I was hoping for a way to set the default for objects that are used a lot, like toggles, buttons, inlets, outlets, sliders etc.
I would like to just hit n, type inlet and get the size I want, hit t and get the size I want, hit b and get the size I want.

On May 5, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Klaas-Jan Govaart wrote:

> Prototypes don't really make it any easier or faster, just different.

Maybe, for some future version of Max, it would possible to set which 

On May 5, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Klaas-Jan Govaart wrote:
> Prototypes don't really make it any easier or faster, just different.

Maybe, for some future version of Max, it would possible to set which  
prototype was the default version.

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On 6 mai 08, at 00:36, Klaas-Jan Govaart wrote:

> Ok, so instead of hitting t for toggle and then resizing it, using 

> prototypes I can hit t for toggle, then right click it, and then 

> select the size I want from the prototype submenu. I might as well 

well it can make it faster because it recall a precise state of one 

> I was hoping for a way to set the default for objects that are used 

> a lot, like toggles, buttons, inlets, outlets, sliders etc.

> I would like to just hit n, type inlet and get the size I want, hit 

> t and get the size I want, hit b and get the size I want.

> Ok, so instead of hitting t for toggle and then resizing it, using  
> prototypes I can hit t for toggle, then right click it, and then  
> select the size I want from the prototype submenu. I might as well  
> resize it manually.
> Prototypes don't really make it any easier or faster, just different.

well it can make it faster because it recall a precise state of one  
object. It just depends of the habits.

> I was hoping for a way to set the default for objects that are used  
> a lot, like toggles, buttons, inlets, outlets, sliders etc.
> I would like to just hit n, type inlet and get the size I want, hit  
> t and get the size I want, hit b and get the size I want.

> well it can make it faster because it recall a precise state of one 

But not even close as fast as typing a single letter. (And I can set a 

precise state faster than choosing from a menu which has to open before...)

We want default sizes for instantiation, and my suggestion is to choose 

Fine for Max 5.4.3 there are more important things to do...

Emmanuel Jourdan schrieb:
> well it can make it faster because it recall a precise state of one 
> object. It just depends of the habits.

But not even close as fast as typing a single letter. (And I can set a 
precise state faster than choosing from a menu which has to open before...)

We want default sizes for instantiation, and my suggestion is to choose 
from existing prototypes...
Fine for Max 5.4.3 there are more important things to do...

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 12:54

> Fine for Max 5.4.3 there are more important things to do...

object sizes in Object defaults?