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(off-topic) Sonogram visualisers

June 22, 2007 | 5:35 pm

Hello,

Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.

Examples -

- Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and processor, but quite difficult to buy

- Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it looks quite good, but it’s outrageously slow (moreover the spectra is drawn every time you change the slightest parameter) – and the 3DSonogram ("perspectogram") doesn’t work ; maye it’s better on a Mac or Linux (?)

- of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if there’s something that already works it will save me lots of time …

Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

J


June 22, 2007 | 5:47 pm

AudioXplorer. Source code available too:

http://www.arizona-software.ch/applications/audioxplorer/en/

Dan

At 7:35 PM +0200 6/22/07, julienbreval wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in
>Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision
>spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a
>freeware.


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June 22, 2007 | 6:00 pm

Hi

http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ (It’s slowish in my experience.)
I believe audacity also has a sonogram view.
BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?

Best
Peiman

On 22/06/07, julienbreval wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I
> am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram
> visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.
>
> Examples -
>
> – Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and
> processor, but quite difficult to buy
>
> – Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it looks
> quite good, but it’s outrageously slow (moreover the spectra is drawn every
> time you change the slightest parameter) – and the 3DSonogram
> ("perspectogram") doesn’t work ; maye it’s better on a Mac or Linux (?)
>
> – of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if there’s
> something that already works it will save me lots of time …
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though
> processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
> J
>


June 22, 2007 | 6:15 pm

Frequency, Amadeus II and AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time), off the top
of my head. oh, mac based only i think.
Amadeus is my favorite.
cheers
b

On Jun 22, 2007, at 1:35 PM, julienbreval wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/
> MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision
> spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a
> freeware.
>
> Examples -
>
> – Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and
> processor, but quite difficult to buy
>
> – Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it
> looks quite good, but it’s outrageously slow (moreover the spectra
> is drawn every time you change the slightest parameter) – and the
> 3DSonogram ("perspectogram") doesn’t work ; maye it’s better on a
> Mac or Linux (?)
>
> – of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if
> there’s something that already works it will save me lots of time …
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image",
> though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
> J

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June 22, 2007 | 6:27 pm

>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
>

Also SPEAR:

http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/

mz


June 22, 2007 | 6:42 pm

Raven Lite, it’s free

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html

On 6/22/07, mzed wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.
> >
> >
> > Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Also SPEAR:
>
> http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
>
> mz
>
> –
> || michael f. zbyszynski — molecular gastronimist
> || http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/
> || http://www.mikezed.com/
>
>
>
>


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June 22, 2007 | 8:37 pm

Thanks for your anwsers everybody

Just one question, where can I download "Frequency" ? I couldn’t find it


June 22, 2007 | 9:08 pm

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 20:00
—————————————————-
> BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?
—————————————————-

Actually, IF I UNDERSTOOD THINGS CORRECTLY (not sure, so please correct me if I got wrong), for getting Audioscult from Ircam you have to be a member of the Ircam Forum. Among the different Ircam Forum suscription possibilities there is one called "Sound treatment software pack" that contains Audiosculpt, Diphone and Modalys. Subscribing for a year costs 240 euros (120 for students), then you have to subscribe again (it’s 30% cheaper though) …

So if you need Audiosculpt for 5 years it should cost :
240(1+0.7×4) = 912 euros (if it’s 30% only the first time)
or
240(1+0.7+0.49+0.343+0.2401) ~= 666 euros (30% each year)



jln
June 22, 2007 | 9:30 pm


June 22, 2007 | 9:44 pm

On 22 juin 07, at 23:30, jln wrote:

> I’m not a member (yet) of the forum, but I think that once you
> bought it, you’ll be able to use it without subscribing every year.
> You’ll have to re-subscribe if you want to receive the future
> updates, though. That’s how I understood it, at least. I’m almost
> sure this is the way it works but a confirm by some who was a
> member would be nice.

yeah that’s something like that, I think. If you want updates, you’ll
have to subscribe again. I’m not a ircam forum expert though ;)

ej


June 22, 2007 | 10:24 pm

Well I will ask the Ircam on Monday and tell you about how it is exactly.



jln
June 22, 2007 | 10:29 pm


June 22, 2007 | 10:40 pm

After some tests I think it’s going to be either Scilab or Audiosculpt


June 22, 2007 | 11:33 pm

Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most accurate among the freewares.
Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also, this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune accurately all the FFT parameters.

The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on and off takes lots of time … if the sound file is too long !
Recalculation should be manual only, it’s almost impossible to use this program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when entering a wrong parameter).


June 23, 2007 | 1:09 am

I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using
the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
subscribe again. But also you don’t have to have a forum membership I think
you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).

Hope that helps to clear things up.
Best
Peiman

On 23/06/07, julienbreval wrote:
>
>
> Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most
> accurate among the freewares.
> Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is
> OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also,
> this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune
> accurately all the FFT parameters.
>
> The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any
> option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from
> scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during
> which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on
> and off takes lots of time … if the sound file is too long !
> Recalculation should be manual only, it’s almost impossible to use this
> program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when
> entering a wrong parameter).
>


June 23, 2007 | 1:13 am


June 25, 2007 | 8:33 am

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09
—————————————————-
> I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using
> the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
> subscribe again. But also you don’t have to have a forum membership I think
> you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).
>
> Hope that helps to clear things up.
> Best
> Peiman
—————————————————-

Yes, that’s exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.


June 25, 2007 | 9:14 am

Pratt analyser, Mixviews both free

On 25/06/07, julienbreval wrote:
>
>
> Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09
> —————————————————-
> > I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on
> using
> > the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
> > subscribe again. But also you don’t have to have a forum membership I
> think
> > you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).
> >
> > Hope that helps to clear things up.
> > Best
> > Peiman
> —————————————————-
>
> Yes, that’s exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.
>


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August 1, 2007 | 6:54 am

Let me conclude:
There are lots of sonogram visualisers:
- Frequency
- Amadeus II
- AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time) http://www.arizona-software.ch/audioxplorer/
- http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/
- http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
- http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html
- scilab
- Sonogram Visible Speech
- Pratt analyser,
- Mixviews
and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)

That’s far too much software to get to know and to use…
I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?
Till


August 1, 2007 | 7:17 am

Hi,

it’s not cheap and it’s only for Pc (I heard rumours that they are
porting it for OS X) but I think that the ‘Spectral View’ in Adobe
Audition is one of the best ‘Sonogram like’ views I used.

http://www.adobe.com/products/audition

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/

All the best

Alessandro Fogar

2007/8/1, Till Knipper :
>
> Let me conclude:
> There are lots of sonogram visualisers:
> – Frequency
> – Amadeus II
> – AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time) http://www.arizona-software.ch/audioxplorer/
> – http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/
> – http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
> – http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html
> – scilab
> – Sonogram Visible Speech
> – Pratt analyser,
> – Mixviews
> and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)
>
> That’s far too much software to get to know and to use…
> I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?
> Till
>


Alessandro Fogar

http://www.fogar.it


August 1, 2007 | 2:02 pm


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