Kasper

some plug-ins, most notably those made by OHM-Force, have a 

"dual-action" system on their (virtual) knobs - not sliders but round 

_the normal, up/down, action inc/decrements them in their normal 

range (and this seems to be what i can control by sending a 0.-1. 

_but the "side" action (left-right) fine tunes teh value - makes very 

how could I build such a knob in max??? It's not about controlling 

the plug-in but building a similar function in max, for example:

_the vertical action on a knob (dial) gives me 0.-1. values (or 0 - 

_horizontal action would "scale" a different pixel/movement ratio, 

pictctrl allows to choose vertical and/or horizontal tracking, but 

the "pixel/movement ratio" is the same (when choosing both options, 

either movement produces teh same result.

__I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be a 

some plug-ins, most notably those made by OHM-Force, have a 
"dual-action" system on their (virtual) knobs - not sliders but round 
"pots":

_the normal, up/down, action inc/decrements them in their normal 
range (and this seems to be what i can control by sending a 0.-1. 
value from max to the given parameter)
_but the "side" action (left-right) fine tunes teh value - makes very 
small changes "around" the given value

how could I build such a knob in max??? It's not about controlling 
the plug-in but building a similar function in max, for example:

_the vertical action on a knob (dial) gives me 0.-1. values (or 0 - 
1000 as dial does not accept floats)
_horizontal action would "scale" a different pixel/movement ratio, 
for fine tuning

pictctrl allows to choose vertical and/or horizontal tracking, but 
the "pixel/movement ratio" is the same (when choosing both options, 
either movement produces teh same result.

__I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be a 
good reason to change!

kasper
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http://www.sleazeArt.com

ohm-force-like-knobs

> __I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be a 

This should be possible with a JSUI in Max 4 or 5...

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> __I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be a 
> good reason to change!

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It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- one that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one that responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this point of view, you could probably design what appears to be a single dial (but is actually two) by superimposing them on each other using appropriate transparency.

>>__I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be 

>This should be possible with a JSUI in Max 4 or 5...

which means java script..... which i don't know. (but of course 

summer should be a excellent time to learn it..... and learn Super 

collider, and CSound as well. and work my cello technique as well !! 

>Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
>>__I am still on max4.6, but if this is possible in max5 it could be 
>>a good reason to change!
>
>This should be possible with a JSUI in Max 4 or 5...
>

which means java script.....  which i don't know. (but of course 
summer should be a excellent time to learn it..... and learn Super 
collider, and CSound as well. and work my cello technique as well !! 
;-))

>It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- one 

>that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one that 

>responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this point of 

>view, you could probably design what appears to be a single dial 

>(but is actually two) by superimposing them on each other using 

well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less 

what i do sometimes, using 2 controllers)

don't know (yet) how it would look when superimposing 2 dials.

Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the 

very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to use 

- they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as 

i will try to get into Jsui..................

>It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- one 
>that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one that 
>responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this point of 
>view, you could probably design what appears to be a single dial 
>(but is actually two) by superimposing them on each other using 
>appropriate transparency.
>

well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less 
what i do sometimes, using 2 controllers)
don't know (yet) how it would look when superimposing 2 dials.

Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the 
very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to use 
- they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as 
"thrown" sliders, in oddity etc etc)

Isn't there something you could do with mousestate ? It will give you the

axis of movement which you could use to control the data flow from the dial.

On 05/07/2008 12:18, "Kasper T Toeplitz" wrote:

>> It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- one

>> that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one that

>> responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this point of

>> view, you could probably design what appears to be a single dial

>> (but is actually two) by superimposing them on each other using

> well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less

> what i do sometimes, using 2 controllers)

> don't know (yet) how it would look when superimposing 2 dials.

> Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the

> very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to use

> - they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as

> i will try to get into Jsui..................

Isn't there something you could do with mousestate ? It will give you the
axis of movement which you could use to control the data flow from the dial.
Cheers
Roger

On 05/07/2008 12:18, "Kasper T Toeplitz"  wrote:

>> It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- one
>> that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one that
>> responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this point of
>> view, you could probably design what appears to be a single dial
>> (but is actually two) by superimposing them on each other using
>> appropriate transparency.
>>
>
>
> well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less
> what i do sometimes, using 2 controllers)
> don't know (yet) how it would look when superimposing 2 dials.
>
> Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the
> very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to use
> - they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as
> "thrown" sliders, in oddity etc etc)
>
> i will try to get into Jsui..................
>
> best
>
> kasper

>Isn't there something you could do with mousestate ? It will give you the

>axis of movement which you could use to control the data flow from the dial.

>Isn't there something you could do with mousestate ? It will give you the
>axis of movement which you could use to control the data flow from the dial.

On Jul 5, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons -- 

>> one that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one 

>> that responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this 

>> point of view, you could probably design what appears to be a 

>> single dial (but is actually two) by superimposing them on each 

> well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less 

> Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the 

> very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to 

> use - they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as 

>> It seems like what you are really looking for is two buttons --  
>> one that reacts quickly in response to vertical motion and one  
>> that responds slowly to horizontal motion. Looked at from this  
>> point of view, you could probably design what appears to be a  
>> single dial (but is actually two) by superimposing them on each  
>> other using appropriate transparency.
>>
>
>
> well, using 2 is a possibility, of course (and that is more or less  
> what i do sometimes, using 2 controllers)
> don't know (yet) how it would look when superimposing 2 dials.
>
> Actually the OHMForce interface is great, most probably one of the  
> very few (if not the only one) plug-ins interface that i like to  
> use - they have a lot of "tricks" which are really great (such as  
> "thrown" sliders, in oddity etc etc)
>
> i will try to get into Jsui..................
>
> best
>
> kasper
> -- 
>  Kasper T. Toeplitz
> noise, composition, bass, computer
> http://www.sleazeArt.com
>
> http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart
>


Jabbo's patch gives two seperate dials -- you can also suppress the appearence of one totally. Here's a variation that appears to be one dial: if you click/drag on the outside ring, you get integer movements, but if click/drag on the inside ring, you get 0.01 movements... of course, it is actually implemented as two dials with one competely invisible.

I need to get Number 5 (any one remembers the funny robot???)

On Jul 5, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bill Sethares wrote:

> Jabbo's patch gives two seperate dials -- you can also suppress the 

> appearence of one totally. Here's a variation that appears to be 

> one dial: if you click/drag on the outside ring, you get integer 

> movements, but if click/drag on the inside ring, you get 0.01 

> movements... of course, it is actually implemented as two dials 

I need to get Number 5 (any one remembers the funny robot???)
starts to feel lonely in 4...

hihihi
On Jul 5, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bill Sethares wrote:

>
> Jabbo's patch gives two seperate dials -- you can also suppress the  
> appearence of one totally. Here's a variation that appears to be  
> one dial: if you click/drag on the outside ring, you get integer  
> movements, but if click/drag on the inside ring, you get 0.01  
> movements... of course, it is actually implemented as two dials  
> with one competely invisible.
>
> -- Bill Sethares
>
>
>


>Jabbo's patch gives two seperate dials -- you can also suppress the 

>appearence of one totally. Here's a variation that appears to be one 

>dial: if you click/drag on the outside ring, you get integer 

>movements, but if click/drag on the inside ring, you get 0.01 

>movements... of course, it is actually implemented as two dials with 

I can not read your patch (I use max 4.X, not 5) but your 

explaination is pretty clear - in both cases it means having TWO 

different areas to clik/drag. In which case, in my opinion, why not 

just use 2 dials/sliders or whatever (numboxes, even) - anyhow, in 

order to change the "resolution" you have to release the 

mouse/trackpad, and clik in another area - the beauty of the 

OHMforce graphics is that you can, with the same movement (the same 

klik) change from rough values to fine tune them and back - allows 

some very fluid and interesting moves (just by changing the direction 

of the mouse - vertical/horizontal.) If you are interested in it, 

just check their great freeware filter FrOHMage (mac & win).

In any case many thanks for your help - but I will try to have a look 

at mousestate, or maybe some modifier key (option?) - or maybe java 

>Jabbo's patch gives two seperate dials -- you can also suppress the 
>appearence of one totally. Here's a variation that appears to be one 
>dial: if you click/drag on the outside ring, you get integer 
>movements, but if click/drag on the inside ring, you get 0.01 
>movements... of course, it is actually implemented as two dials with 
>one competely invisible.
>

I can not read your patch (I use max 4.X, not 5) but your 
explaination is pretty clear - in both cases it means having TWO 
different areas to clik/drag. In which case, in my opinion, why not 
just use 2 dials/sliders or whatever (numboxes, even) - anyhow, in 
order to change the "resolution" you have to  release the 
mouse/trackpad, and clik in another area  - the beauty of the 
OHMforce graphics is that you can, with the same movement (the same 
klik) change from rough values to fine tune them and back - allows 
some very fluid and interesting moves (just by changing the direction 
of the mouse - vertical/horizontal.) If you are interested in it, 
just check their great freeware filter FrOHMage (mac & win).

In any case many thanks for your help - but I will try to have a look 
at mousestate, or maybe some modifier key (option?) - or maybe java 
script.

How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have 

separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.

Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be intuitive 

(for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y axis).

How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have  
separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.
Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be intuitive  
(for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y axis).

What a great tip nesa, thanks for that one!

> How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have separate 

> x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.

> Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be intuitive 

> (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y axis).

Modified the idea a bit, without that accumulation effect...

nesa schrieb:
> How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have separate 
> x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.
> Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be intuitive 
> (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y axis).

>>How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have 

>>separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.

>>Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be 

>>intuitive (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y 

>Modified the idea a bit, without that accumulation effect...

(or just a capture of the screen - since max (5) became 

human-readable, and then compressed, if you did not pay the upgrade, 

you can not see the answer to your own question ! at least with the 

old system you could have an idea of the used objects.......

as said in my original question, " __I am still on max4.6, but if 

this is possible in [only] max5 it could be a good reason to change!")

as i belive that for the moment the number of people on this list 

using ONLY max 5 is not that important, would it be possible to send 

(simple) examples/patches in max4 format?? max 4 opens in 5 (I think) 

when max 5 does not open in 4 (yes,I read that F Olofsson just did 

some magic in Super Collider which permits that...)

>nesa schrieb:
>>How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have 
>>separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.
>>Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be 
>>intuitive (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y 
>>axis).
>
>Modified the idea a bit, without that accumulation effect...

(or just a capture of the screen - since max (5) became 
human-readable, and then compressed, if you did not pay the upgrade, 
you can not see the answer to your own question ! at least with the 
old system you could have an idea of the used objects.......
as said in my original question, " __I am still on max4.6, but if 
this is possible in [only] max5 it could be a good reason to change!")

as i belive that for the moment the number of people on this list 
using ONLY max 5 is not that important, would it be possible to send 
(simple) examples/patches in max4 format?? max 4 opens in 5 (I think) 
when max 5 does not open in 4 (yes,I  read that F Olofsson just did 
some magic in Super Collider which permits that...)

-- 
  Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> is it possible to send it in max 4??

struggeling with the same thing (opening this funny max5-gibber in a 

max5 runtime) some kind soul posted a solution:

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=141333&rid=0&srch=koch#msg_141333

Am 07.07.2008 um 12:48 schrieb Kasper T Toeplitz:

>>> How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have 

>>> separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.

>>> Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be 

>>> intuitive (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y 

>> Modified the idea a bit, without that accumulation effect...

> (or just a capture of the screen - since max (5) became human- 

> readable, and then compressed, if you did not pay the upgrade, you 

> can not see the answer to your own question ! at least with the old 

> system you could have an idea of the used objects.......

> as said in my original question, " __I am still on max4.6, but if 

> this is possible in [only] max5 it could be a good reason to change!")

> as i belive that for the moment the number of people on this list 

> using ONLY max 5 is not that important, would it be possible to send 

> (simple) examples/patches in max4 format?? max 4 opens in 5 (I 

> think) when max 5 does not open in 4 (yes,I read that F Olofsson 

> just did some magic in Super Collider which permits that...)

struggeling with the same thing (opening this funny max5-gibber in a  
max5 runtime) some kind soul posted a solution:
https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=141333&rid=0&srch=koch#msg_141333
(scroll down to message #141330 by roth)

>> nesa schrieb:
>>>
>>> How about using pictslider under a dial? That way you can have  
>>> separate x&y outputs mapped to different increments for each axis.
>>> Below's one example patch, but it needs more tweaking to be  
>>> intuitive (for example, bigger 'dead zone' around center for y  
>>> axis).
>>
>> Modified the idea a bit, without that accumulation effect...
>
> is it possible to send it in max 4??
>
> (or just a capture of the screen - since max (5) became human- 
> readable, and then compressed, if you did not pay the upgrade, you  
> can not see the answer to your own question ! at least with the old  
> system you could have an idea of the used objects.......
> as said in my original question, " __I am still on max4.6, but if  
> this is possible in [only] max5 it could be a good reason to change!")
>
> many thanks
>
> kasper
>
> PS
>
> as i belive that for the moment the number of people on this list  
> using ONLY max 5 is not that important, would it be possible to send  
> (simple) examples/patches in max4 format?? max 4 opens in 5 (I  
> think) when max 5 does not open in 4 (yes,I  read that F Olofsson  
> just did some magic in Super Collider which permits that...)
>
> thanks
> k
>
> -- 
>  Kasper T. Toeplitz
> noise, composition, bass, computer
> http://www.sleazeArt.com
>
> http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart
>


OHM-Force-like knobs???