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OpenMusic + MaxMSP


jbm
August 26, 2006 | 8:56 am

Does anyone here have any experience with OpenMusic? I’m just curious to hear anyone’s thoughts about MaxMSP vs. OpenMusic for generative/interactive composition stuff. Also, I’m curious about integration with MaxMSP.

Any OpenMusic stories anybody can share?

thanks,

J.


August 26, 2006 | 10:06 am

>Does anyone here have any experience with OpenMusic? I’m just
>curious to hear anyone’s thoughts about MaxMSP vs. OpenMusic for
>generative/interactive composition stuff. Also, I’m curious about
>integration with MaxMSP.
>
>Any OpenMusic stories anybody can share?
>

i still use Patchwork much more than open music, but for your
question that’s about the same…

for composition, PW/OM is much better than max – i was meant for
this. Now, what is called composition here is assembling material
which will end up as a score, or in some cases a midi file.

now if it is a generative stuff, or interactive…
well OM does not work in real time (even if I know some crazy guys
who used LISP in real time….)

as of OM & max, when the obvious would be a midi-file, what i did a
lot more was to use OM (or PW) to generate files which i then could
use in colls – could be frequencies for microtonal stuff, precise
time, pan or spatialisation data…..

also great for generating scores for CSound – which you could use in
max with csound~

hope it helps

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com



jbm
August 26, 2006 | 10:43 am

hmm… Intersting, thanks.

I guess, more specifically, what I’m interested in is developing a system which analyzes existing music (midi files), then builds a sort of style template from the analysis. This part would be non-realtime, but the analysis data would then be used to improvise in realtime. I’m imagining this as a modular, agent-based environment, where the little "improvisors" partly respond to user input and partly to one another.

I was looking at OpenMusic because it seems to have some ready-made tools for analysis. I guess markov and histo are sort of like this as well… so I suppose I may just be getting lazy! I also like the fact that OM seems to have some nice notation-based objects, and a more useful timeline-ish implementation. But perhaps this is all just a grass-is-greener thing(?)

Mind you, I do like the "scoob" music representation in ftm; it’s pretty intuitive and musically clear. Though I wish you could drag note duration (maybe soon).

Anyway, thanks again. If you have any more thoughts about any of the above please let me know.

cheers,

J.



jbm
August 26, 2006 | 10:48 am

oops! Almost forgot. Is there any point trying to build OM 4.7.1 with OpenMCL, or do I really need the digitool MCL (or to just buy the distro from Ircam)? I’m on Mac OS X.4.7 (Intel or PPC).

thanks,

J.


August 26, 2006 | 10:53 am

>
>Anyway, thanks again. If you have any more thoughts about any of the
>above please let me know.

if you start from scratch in PW/ OM i would sugest to have a look at
Mikael laurson’s PWGL (http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/ )

it’s still beta etc, but for some reason i belive it has a great
potential (Laurson , as far as i know, is the person behin patchwork
which then became openMusic)

pwgl is freeware, by the way – and from what i understood (never
really tried it yet) it does real time synthesis…

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com



jbm
August 26, 2006 | 11:04 am

Hey! That looks nice!!! Real music notation, old-school. Yum!

thanks for posting that link!

J.


August 26, 2006 | 5:56 pm

Wow–PWGL looks really nice! I’ll have to try it out soon. Along the lines of open score file analysis and manipulation, I’m thinking that the future may very well be in MusicXML. Is anyone working on this, besides just using it as a storage and transfer format?

Tim


August 27, 2006 | 1:05 pm

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> now if it is a generative stuff, or interactive…
> well OM does not work in real time (even if I know some crazy guys who used
> LISP in real time….)

[maxlisp] — http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/maxlisp/

.. definitely *not* for those afraid of crashing max/msp. :-)

brad

http://music.columbia.edu/~brad


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