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					<title><![CDATA[OpenMusic + MaxMSP]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jbm</dc:creator>

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						<p>Does anyone here have any experience with OpenMusic? I&#8217;m just curious to hear anyone&#8217;s thoughts about MaxMSP vs. OpenMusic for generative/interactive composition stuff. Also, I&#8217;m curious about integration with MaxMSP. </p>
<p>Any OpenMusic stories anybody can share?</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>J.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: OpenMusic + MaxMSP]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>

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						<p>>Does anyone here have any experience with OpenMusic? I&#8217;m just <br />
>curious to hear anyone&#8217;s thoughts about MaxMSP vs. OpenMusic for <br />
>generative/interactive composition stuff. Also, I&#8217;m curious about <br />
>integration with MaxMSP.<br />
><br />
>Any OpenMusic stories anybody can share?<br />
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i still use Patchwork much more than open music, but for your <br />
question that&#8217;s about the same&#8230;</p>
<p>for composition, PW/OM is much better than max &#8211; i was meant for <br />
this. Now, what is called composition here is assembling material <br />
which will end up as a score, or in some cases a midi file.</p>
<p>now if it is  a generative stuff, or interactive&#8230;<br />
well OM does not work in real time (even if I know some crazy guys <br />
who used LISP in real time&#8230;.)</p>
<p>as of OM &#038; max, when the obvious would be a midi-file, what i did a <br />
lot more was to use OM (or PW) to generate files which i then could <br />
use in colls &#8211; could be frequencies for microtonal stuff, precise <br />
time, pan or spatialisation data&#8230;..</p>
<p>also great for generating scores for CSound &#8211; which you could use in <br />
max with csound~</p>
<p>hope it helps</p>
<p>best</p>
<p>kasper<br />
&#8211; <br />
  Kasper T. Toeplitz<br />
noise, composition, bass, computer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sleazeArt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sleazeArt.com</a></p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: OpenMusic + MaxMSP]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>hmm&#8230; Intersting, thanks.</p>
<p>I guess, more specifically, what I&#8217;m interested in is developing a system which analyzes existing music (midi files), then builds a sort of style template from the analysis. This part would be non-realtime, but the analysis data would then be used to improvise in realtime. I&#8217;m imagining this as a modular, agent-based environment, where the little &#8220;improvisors&#8221; partly respond to user input and partly to one another.</p>
<p>I was looking at OpenMusic because it seems to have some ready-made tools for analysis. I guess markov and histo are sort of like this as well&#8230; so I suppose I may just be getting lazy! I also like the fact that OM seems to have some nice notation-based objects, and a more useful timeline-ish implementation. But perhaps this is all just a grass-is-greener thing(?)</p>
<p>Mind you, I do like the &#8220;scoob&#8221; music representation in ftm; it&#8217;s pretty intuitive and musically clear. Though I wish you could drag note duration (maybe soon).</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again. If you have any more thoughts about any of the above please let me know.</p>
<p>cheers,</p>
<p>J.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: OpenMusic + MaxMSP]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jbm</dc:creator>

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						<p>oops! Almost forgot. Is there any point trying to build OM 4.7.1 with OpenMCL, or do I really need the digitool MCL (or to just buy the distro from Ircam)? I&#8217;m on Mac OS X.4.7 (Intel or PPC).</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>J.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: OpenMusic + MaxMSP]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>

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						<p>><br />
>Anyway, thanks again. If you have any more thoughts about any of the <br />
>above please let me know.</p>
<p>
if you start from scratch in PW/ OM i would sugest to have a look at <br />
Mikael laurson&#8217;s PWGL (<a href="http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/</a> )</p>
<p>it&#8217;s still beta etc, but for some reason i belive it has a great <br />
potential (Laurson , as far as i know, is the person behin patchwork <br />
which then became openMusic)</p>
<p>pwgl is freeware, by the way &#8211; and from what i understood (never <br />
really tried it yet) it does real time synthesis&#8230;</p>
<p>best</p>
<p>kasper<br />
&#8211; <br />
  Kasper T. Toeplitz<br />
noise, composition, bass, computer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sleazeArt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sleazeArt.com</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Hey! That looks nice!!! Real music notation, old-school. Yum!</p>
<p>thanks for posting that link!</p>
<p>J.</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>tim_thompson@mac.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Wow&#8211;PWGL looks really nice!  I&#8217;ll have to try it out soon.  Along the lines of open score file analysis and manipulation, I&#8217;m thinking that the future may very well be in MusicXML.  Is anyone working on this, besides just using it as a storage and transfer format?</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Brad Garton</dc:creator>

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						<p>On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:</p>
<p>> now if it is  a generative stuff, or interactive&#8230;<br />
> well OM does not work in real time (even if I know some crazy guys who used <br />
> LISP in real time&#8230;.)</p>
<p>[maxlisp] &#8212; <a href="http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/maxlisp/" rel="nofollow">http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/maxlisp/</a></p>
<p>.. definitely *not* for those afraid of crashing max/msp.  :-)</p>
<p>brad</p>
<p><a href="http://music.columbia.edu/~brad" rel="nofollow">http://music.columbia.edu/~brad</a></p>
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