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OSX 10.4.9 – Please WAIT before installing

March 13, 2007 | 10:44 pm

Dear Lists:

We’ve gotten some initial reports from some early adopters of OSX
10.4.9 which point to some potential problems with Max 4.6.x, at
least on Intel machines. We would recommend that anyone who needs to
use Max on a regular basis REFRAIN FROM INSTALLING THIS UPDATE until
we’ve had a chance to do some testing.

I’m not saying that there is a problem, but there might be one, and
we’d like to have a chance to look into it before being barraged with
support calls.

Thanks very much -
Jeremy


March 14, 2007 | 1:16 am

I saw this a bit too late. I can confirm that on a Macbook Pro 2 GHz Intel Core Duo – Max/MSP and all apps made with Max/MSP crash on startup. (They were all working fine before the upgrade.)

Strange enough – my desktop machine at work was updated to 10.4.9 and all is working fine. Its a 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo iMac.

Guess I’ll be getting around to that clean system install I’ve been avoiding.

Stefan


March 14, 2007 | 3:22 am

Did you installed the Combo Update or did you upgraded with Software Update? I remember a few updates ago, you absolutely needed to use the Combo Update to avoid bugs with Max.


March 14, 2007 | 3:36 am


March 14, 2007 | 3:39 am

i’m having the same issue on my non-pro macbook.


March 14, 2007 | 4:20 am

Please use the combo update for installs on intel, we have not heard any reports of trouble on PPC yet.

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1049comboupdateintel.html

If you are stuck after installing from Software Update, try this first before contacting support.

Cheers

Andrew


March 14, 2007 | 6:12 am

On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Andrew Pask wrote:
>
> Please use the combo update for installs on intel, we have not
> heard any reports of trouble on PPC yet.
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1049comboupdateintel.html
>
> If you are stuck after installing from Software Update, try this
> first before contacting support.

Updating a Mac Pro (Radeon X1900 graphics card) to 10.4.9 using the
Intel combo update seems to work fine with Max/MSP 4.6.2 and Jitter
1.6.2 (iLok key).

-greg


March 14, 2007 | 10:06 am

Unfortunately I have done the software update, Max was not working but after reinstall with combo, all is going well

ouf


March 14, 2007 | 10:20 am


March 14, 2007 | 12:56 pm

I did the same and Max now works after combo install…
Thanx to this forum !


March 14, 2007 | 4:51 pm

Hi
I did the software update option, then read this and did the combo update.

Unfortunately I am still having no joy opening Max/MSP version 4.6.
Version 4.5 seems to open ok.

Is anyone else still having problems?

(My computer: macbook pro 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo)



jln
March 14, 2007 | 5:18 pm


March 14, 2007 | 5:57 pm

I also ran the 10.4.9 Combo updater (without having previously done
the non-combo version), and can’t get MaxMSP 4.6.2 to start up.

MacBook Pro 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 2 GB RAM

On Mar 14, 2007, at 10:51 AM, sam wrote:

>
> Hi
> I did the software update option, then read this and did the combo
> update.
>
> Unfortunately I am still having no joy opening Max/MSP version 4.6.
> Version 4.5 seems to open ok.
>
> Is anyone else still having problems?
>
> (My computer: macbook pro 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo)

—-
Steven M. Miller

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
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http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
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March 14, 2007 | 10:40 pm

Just so you know, its not just Cycling -

From Avid :

"Dear Unity customer,

Yesterday’s update to Mac OS X 10.4.9 is giving Unity users on Intel
Macs trouble: after the automatic software update, Unity simply won’t
launch. PowerPC Macs are unaffected by this. The error had managed to
sneak through our testing process because the developer seeds that
Apple sends us had not exhibited this problem!

After panicked forum posts, late-night support calls with customers
all over the globe, and frantic testing by our developer team, we
found a simple work-around: just go ahead and download the Mac OS X
10.4.9 "Combo Installer", which solves the problem. You can do this
regardless of whether you already installed the update via Software
Update or not."

haha. *cries*

My past 3 days have been so nightmarish it isnt even approaching
funny. :)

On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Steven Miller wrote:

> I also ran the 10.4.9 Combo updater (without having previously done
> the non-combo version), and can’t get MaxMSP 4.6.2 to start up.
>
> MacBook Pro 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 2 GB RAM
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2007, at 10:51 AM, sam wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>> I did the software update option, then read this and did the combo
>> update.
>>
>> Unfortunately I am still having no joy opening Max/MSP version 4.6.
>> Version 4.5 seems to open ok.
>>
>> Is anyone else still having problems?
>>
>> (My computer: macbook pro 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo)
>
> —-
> Steven M. Miller
>
> Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
> SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
> Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
> OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
>
>
>

v a d e //

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abstrakt.vade.info


March 14, 2007 | 10:49 pm

weird.
i installed the combo-update in the first place and max won’t start up.
hopefully a reinstall of the combo will solve this issue.

i’ll report back
i feel like a well trained pawlow-software-update-dog.


March 14, 2007 | 11:03 pm

vade,
FWIW, the email we got from PACE had a very similar content, but in a
much more restrained voice. The consensus seems to be "download the
Combo Updater and you will be ok"

Cheers,
Andrew B.


March 14, 2007 | 11:22 pm

Except that, as per my post earlier today, it’s not so simple.

I used the Combo updater, and MaxMSP still won’t start up on my
MacBook Pro 2.16 GHz.

In other words, NOT OK.

On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:03 PM, andrew benson wrote:

> vade,
> FWIW, the email we got from PACE had a very similar content, but in a
> much more restrained voice. The consensus seems to be "download the
> Combo Updater and you will be ok"
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew B.

—-
Steven M. Miller

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>


March 14, 2007 | 11:28 pm

Steven,
It sounds like something else might be going on with your machine.
Please send an email to support at cycling74 dot com and we’ll look into
what’s happening with your machine. Please be sure to include a crash
report and some details about your system.

Cheers,
Andrew B.


March 14, 2007 | 11:43 pm

Quote: andrewb@cycling74.com wrote on Wed, 14 March 2007 19:28
—————————————————-
> Steven,
> It sounds like something else might be going on with your machine.
> Please send an email to support at cycling74 dot com and we’ll look into
> what’s happening with your machine. Please be sure to include a crash
> report and some details about your system.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew B.
>
—————————————————-

Should I do the same, or should I try installing the Combo Update for a second time?

cheers
sam


March 14, 2007 | 11:53 pm

Please try installing the Combo Updater. You will need to restart your
computer in order for it to take effect. If that doesn’t work, and
you’re still having trouble getting MaxMSP to start up, send us your
crash report to support at cycling74 dot com. We’ll follow up with the
problem there.

Cheers,
Andrew B.


March 15, 2007 | 1:13 am

Hi Andrew,

After a re-install of MaxMSP 4.6.2 & a reinstall of the 10.4.9 Combo
Updater, I’m now able to start up MaxMSP again.

Best,

Steven

On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:28 PM, andrew benson wrote:

> Steven,
> It sounds like something else might be going on with your machine.
> Please send an email to support at cycling74 dot com and we’ll look
> into
> what’s happening with your machine. Please be sure to include a crash
> report and some details about your system.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew B.

—-
Steven M. Miller

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>


March 15, 2007 | 7:15 pm


March 15, 2007 | 7:19 pm

You can use the Combo Updater even if you have 10.4.8 installed. That’s what I did and it works fine.


March 15, 2007 | 7:22 pm

I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. I was running 10.4.8. I
downloaded the 10.4.9. Combo Updater, ran it, and now I am running
10.4.9, without any issues.

jb

Am 15.03.2007 um 20:15 schrieb jose manuel berenguer:

> Now, after erasing the hard disk again, I am reinstalling 10.4.8…
> but, what must I do, afer installation? Don’t think that
> installing the combo updater must be ok in all the cases.


March 15, 2007 | 7:30 pm


March 16, 2007 | 2:40 am

Just to confirm what everyone has been saying, try the Combo Updater. Here’s how my problem developed:

1. Installed 10.4.9
2. Installed max (first time on a mini-Mac) Max wouldn’t run
3. Installed Max again, this time a demo screen came up, and then a crash so I sent the bug report
4. Downloaded the Combo updater, and Max runs fine.

Hope that helps!

Bryan



_j
March 16, 2007 | 3:16 am

<3 windows XP


March 16, 2007 | 1:01 pm


March 16, 2007 | 5:11 pm

On Mar 16, 2007, at 6:01 AM, jose manuel berenguer wrote:

> What is the difference between the first and the second
> installation?. From my point of view, there isn’t any. Some weird
> thing must happen with that update.

The first time, you clearly didn’t believe :)

Don’t forget that software falls into the same category of ghosts,
aliens, and angels.

-Joshua


March 16, 2007 | 5:18 pm

It took one the software update then two combo updates to get Max working for me.


March 16, 2007 | 6:52 pm

installing the combo update the second time over the existing 10.4.9 version worked like a treat.

really weird.


March 16, 2007 | 9:02 pm



seo
March 17, 2007 | 10:16 am

Thank you for great information.
After updating with COMBO updater,
it looks fine at this moment except cyclops.
When I try to use cyclops, it says it’s not
authorized. Is there anyone who had same trouble with me?


March 20, 2007 | 12:01 pm

You shouldn’t be running System Optimizer X (http://www.mkd.cc/sox/) either after the combo update, as it cripples maxmsp again. Redoing the combo update solves this.

_
johan


March 20, 2007 | 1:35 pm

You shouldn’t be running System Optimizer X (http://www.mkd.cc/sox/) either after the combo update, as it cripples maxmsp again. Redoing the combo update solves this.

_
johan


March 20, 2007 | 9:21 pm

Got this notice late as I just joined the forum after having some problems getting Max to launch. Seems that the combo updater has done the trick.
Thanks to all for a wonderful forum. I look forward to learning a lot off this site.


March 21, 2007 | 11:12 pm

the update seems to have worked for me too.

I installed the 10.4.9 via software update and after that max would not launch. After installing the combo update it works.

Macbook pro, max 4.6.2


March 21, 2007 | 11:14 pm

combo update worked for me. macbook pro, max 4.6.2


March 21, 2007 | 11:34 pm

Hello Everyone,
FWIW, this issue turns out to be an issue with prebinding of the OS in
the Automatic Update, and how PACE software responds to that. If you
don’t feel like downloading a 310MB combo update, the other option, as
listed here:

http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MacUpdate1049

…is to run a terminal script that PACE has provided that will fix you
up a bit faster. PACE sent us an email stating that the next version of
their drivers will not react this way (crashing) when there are
prebinding issues on the OS. Sorry for the hassles that this has caused
everyone. Fortunately, Pace has been very responsive in helping us to
find workarounds until they can resolve the issue.

Cheers,
Andrew Benson

Cycling ’74 Support


March 22, 2007 | 2:31 am

Thanks, the prebinding script did it for me, and didn’t take me half an hour to download…

DD


March 22, 2007 | 3:45 am

I did the combo install and max launches now, but i’m noticing a lot more crashes now that i’m in 10.4.9 particularly when i open a help file from an object max crashes about 15% of the time. Any thoughts?

Should i not run the PACE script if i’ve already done the combo update>?


March 22, 2007 | 4:12 am

The PACE script is pretty harmless and only takes about a minute to run,
so if you think it might help, I’d say go for it.

That said, if there are other problems happening outside of Cycling ’74
stuff, I can’t really speak to that.

Andrew


March 24, 2007 | 6:29 pm

Prebinding script did it for me – thanks!

Suggest a grown-up starts a new thread with this info as a sticky (or something – i’d downloaded half the combo updater by the time i reached the "right" answer ;)

It’s thrown up another thing which i’ll report on in the Java forum when i’ve got to the bottom of it.

Thanks again

jonny


March 24, 2007 | 6:30 pm

Prebinding script did it for me – thanks!

Suggest a grown-up starts a new thread with this info as a sticky (or something – i’d downloaded half the combo updater by the time i reached the "right" answer ;))

It’s thrown up another thing which i’ll report on in the Java forum when i’ve got to the bottom of it.

Thanks again

jonny


March 26, 2007 | 4:45 pm

Hello,
I’d like to know if it is possible now, to download and install max/msp
on a new MacBook Intel, with already the update OSX 10.4.9 installed.

Do you have already fix the problem or I might way more
before installing max? Or just "doing the combo process"?

thank you in advance,
regards

Tom


March 26, 2007 | 4:48 pm

Hello,
I’d like to know if it is possible now, to download and install max/msp
on a new MacBook Intel, with already the update OSX 10.4.9 installed.
Do you have already fix the problem or I might way more
before installing max? Or just go through the Combo update process?

thank you in advance,
regards

Tom


March 26, 2007 | 10:25 pm

is there an echo in here?

Tom, sounds like you’re going to find out! Try a plain install fisrt (generally) then if that doesn’t work try the prebinding script trick.

Let everyone know how you get on here (please)

jonny


March 26, 2007 | 10:27 pm


March 27, 2007 | 12:24 am

ok cool
i had just a little hope to avoid downloading 300 MB that’s not so easy here.
No way..

thanx guys


March 27, 2007 | 9:45 am

using the prebinder script saves the huge download.

Get it from here:

http://www.paceap.com/prebind_script.dmg

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS (it’s quite easy really – no typing apart from password)

Enjoy!

jonny


March 27, 2007 | 9:46 am

using the prebinder script saves the huge download.

Get it from here:

http://www.paceap.com/prebind_script.dmg

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS (it’s quite easy really – no typing apart from password)

Enjoy!

jonny

(any chance of updating/replacing this forum app – it’s about the worst i’ve seen in many years)


April 12, 2007 | 3:08 am

Hi,

I’m using Max 4.6.2 on a MacBookPro2,2 with Intel Core 2 Duo. I’ve just update my version to 10.4.9. My patches are working and I haven’t see any crashes. Just wanna update you guys a bit. Will let you all know if anything happens.

Cheers
Wah


April 12, 2007 | 3:09 am

Hi,

I’m using Max 4.6.2 on a MacBookPro2,2 with Intel Core 2 Duo. I’ve just update my version to 10.4.9. My patches are working and I haven’t see any crashes. Just wanna update you guys a bit. Will let you all know if anything happens.

Cheers
Wah


April 13, 2007 | 10:05 pm

so… is there anything new over here about this topic ?
Is it safe now to to the update to 10.4.9 ?
Thanks


April 13, 2007 | 10:32 pm


April 13, 2007 | 11:16 pm

That’s how i understand it – either do the combo update or use software update then run the prebinder script found here:

http://www.paceap.com/prebind_script.dmg

(a little more scary but worked ok for me and no 300mb download)

jonny


April 13, 2007 | 11:17 pm

That’s how i understand it – either do the combo update or use software update then run the prebinder script found here:

http://www.paceap.com/prebind_script.dmg

(a little more scary but worked ok for me and no 300mb download)

jonny


April 18, 2007 | 11:53 am

I wonder if there is any confusion as to whether people are on Intel or PPC?

My Max 4.6 is pretty unhappy at startup on PPC PB G4 with 10.4.8.
I have so far been avoiding the issue by sticking to Max 4.5, but this is increasingly inconvenient.
The combo updater to 10.4.9 for PPC appears only for up to 10.4.7. This is different for Intel.
If I want to go from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9, it looks like I have to do a regular update, but this thread appears to suggest that there will be problems…

One solution might be to roll back to 10.4.<8, then run the combo to get to 10.4.9. It all seems like a lot of hassle- am I just missing something stupid?
Any advice?


April 18, 2007 | 12:44 pm

Don’t worry, you can use the Combo Updater even if you already have 10.4.8 installed.


April 18, 2007 | 3:37 pm

Thanks, but I did try with the combo which says it goes up to 10.4.7, and "computer said no". I did not see another which looked appropriate.
I checked through the list and could not seem to find the most appropriate one. Could you direct me to the one you are referring to please Meriol?


April 18, 2007 | 3:53 pm

Hmm…usually you can use the Combo Updater even if you have the version just before the latest. Maybe Apple changed something recently. Anyway, it’s safe to use the Delta Updater (the one you get through Software Update). If I remember well, the problem only affected Intel users. And if it doesn’t work, there’s a little script called prepinding.script that fixes the problem


April 18, 2007 | 5:04 pm

Just to be on the safe side, it’s a good idea to use the disk utility to repair permissions before installing the update.


April 19, 2007 | 11:07 am

Thanks you Guys. I will follow the advice and confirm the result shortly!


April 19, 2007 | 1:02 pm

Well, I have 10.4.9 in as suggested above, and a patch created in Max 4.5 still crashes when I run Max 4.6, just as it did in 10.4.8. It is fine on Max 4.5.
I cloned my HD to roll back if necessary and may well do after further experimentation. Maybe I really do need a combo…
Has anyone else had problems on PPC?


April 19, 2007 | 3:14 pm

I seriously doubt your problem is related to 10.4.9 and the Combo issue. If you read carefully this post, you can see the problem is related to Pace protection and the problem was that Max wouldn’t start. If you have crashes, the problem is elsewhere. The crash log could be useful to see where the problem is and I’d start a new thread since this is another problem that the one we dicuss in this thread.


April 19, 2007 | 3:20 pm

Thanks Meriol. I did indeed read the thread, but interpreted Stefan’s "and all apps made with Max/MSP crash on startup" as applying to me since my patch crashed as soon as I touched it, although granted it does indeed load.
Your time and wisdom is appreciated though; I will investigate from a different perspective.
Thanks.



xaf
April 25, 2007 | 4:36 pm

i saw this too late too…
i’m running 10.4.9 on intel mac and the app just won’t start up
grrrrbllmmhh


April 28, 2007 | 6:29 pm

Hello,

Unfortunately I did not see the posting in time. After installing OSX 10.4.9 Max and Jitter would no longer launch. Ideas?

Best –


April 28, 2007 | 6:40 pm

On 28 avr. 07, at 20:29, Dan wrote:

> Unfortunately I did not see the posting in time. After installing
> OSX 10.4.9 Max and Jitter would no longer launch. Ideas?

Just read the thread!

http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MacUpdate1049

ej


May 1, 2007 | 11:24 pm

Just FYI.
I installed the new quicktime 7.1.6 and airport extreme update 2007-003 today and had the same problems with Max/MSP not starting as I did when I first installed 10.4.9.
Running that prebinding script seems to have fixed it again.


May 2, 2007 | 11:53 pm

Yup – confirmed

Latest QT 7.1.6 etc via Software Upgrade kills Max again – i expect the prebinding script with fix it but too tired now to try it…

jb


May 3, 2007 | 5:28 am

Yes, the prebinding script fixes this latest round of updates (Quicktime, etc.). Just went through it this morning.


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