davidestevens

ot-external-hard-drives

> If you are feeling ballsy you can open the case and put the drive 

> in another enclosure (voiding your warranty however), to attempt 

> recover. If the drive is a 'Big Disk' or 'Big Disk Extreme', then 

> you are out of luck, as they use Lacies proprietary raid controller 

Ha. D2 Extreme. (Is that the same or different from a Big Disk 

Extreme (makes me think of Biggus Dikkus from Life of Brian). But 

I've already written off the data on the drive - the only thing that 

wasn't (in some form - I think) on another drive, was a piece I was 

working on that I wasn't very happy with anyway. None of my max stuff 

was on there (that would have been a horse of a different colour!)

The thing I was really curious about was why these new drives (with 

Initio controllers) would mostly work (I tried one with Cubase and it 

was fine) but lock up when doing disc to disc transfers.

> We are recommending the GTech GRaid drives if you are doing video 

> editing and need firewire, as they can handle 10 bit uncompressed 

> standard def, and arent super expensive. If you dont need 

> uncompressed support or Raid, most likely any old drive will do.

Any old disc is what I would have thought, but this experience has 

made me think again! Hence the original plea for help.

> Ive found though, that FW bridges really dont take like being moved 

> about, even the slightest shock can hurt them.

Oh! What type of drive would you recommend to take for location 

recording then? I like to record to an external drive (and on the 

stuff I've been recording, the internal would be too small anyway).

>  If you are feeling ballsy you can open the case and put the drive  
> in another enclosure (voiding your warranty however), to attempt  
> recover. If the drive is a 'Big Disk' or 'Big Disk Extreme', then  
> you are out of luck, as they use Lacies proprietary raid controller  
> chipset.
>

Ha. D2 Extreme. (Is that the same or different from a Big Disk  
Extreme (makes me think of Biggus Dikkus from Life of Brian).  But  
I've already written off the data on the drive - the only thing that  
wasn't (in some form - I think) on another drive, was a piece I was  
working on that I wasn't very happy with anyway. None of my max stuff  
was on there (that would have been a horse of a different colour!)

The thing I was really curious about was why these new drives (with  
Initio controllers) would mostly work (I tried one with Cubase and it  
was fine) but lock up when doing disc to disc transfers.

>
> We are recommending the GTech GRaid drives if you are doing video  
> editing and need firewire, as they can handle 10  bit uncompressed  
> standard def, and arent super expensive. If you dont need  
> uncompressed support or Raid, most likely any old drive will do.
>

Any old disc is what I would have thought, but this experience has  
made me think again! Hence the original plea for help.

>
> Ive found though, that FW bridges really dont take like being moved  
> about, even the slightest shock can hurt them.
>

Oh! What type of drive would you recommend to take for location  
recording then? I like to record to an external drive (and on the  
stuff I've been recording, the internal would be too small anyway).

> The thing I was really curious about was why these new drives (with 

> Initio controllers) would mostly work (I tried one with Cubase and it 

> was fine) but lock up when doing disc to disc transfers.

Maybe the problem is on the other side? Not the new drives fail, but the 

one you're copying from. Eventually always at the same place?

Technically speaking you should look into raid systems, there are much 

more secure methods to use several drives to backup data, they are not 

only more secure, they are also more effective...

David Stevens wrote:
> The thing I was really curious about was why these new drives (with  
> Initio controllers) would mostly work (I tried one with Cubase and it  
> was fine) but lock up when doing disc to disc transfers.

Maybe the problem is on the other side? Not the new drives fail, but the 
one you're copying from. Eventually always at the same place?

Technically speaking you should look into raid systems, there are much 
more secure methods to use several drives to backup data, they are not 
only more secure, they are also more effective...

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On 12 Sep 2006, at 7:31, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

>> The thing I was really curious but lock up when doing disc 

> Maybe the problem is on the other side? Not the new drives fail, 

> but the one you're copying from. Eventually always at the same place?

yeah, I thought of that, but it was a different place every time. I 

tried copying from different drives, with different chip sets; 

sometimes the whole drive, sometimes just a single large folder. 

Failed every time. Bizarre. Thinking that my poor old powerbook might 

be fading away, I tried large copies between drives I already have, 

and they work just fine. The retailer is taking them back, so I guess 

I'll just shell out a bit more for Lacie, Maxtor or Seagate - they 

> Technically speaking you should look into raid systems, there are 

> much more secure methods to use several drives to backup data, they 

> are not only more secure, they are also more effective...

>> The thing I was really curious  but lock up when doing disc  
>> to disc transfers.
>
> Maybe the problem is on the other side? Not the new drives fail,  
> but the one you're copying from. Eventually always at the same place?

yeah, I thought of that, but it was a different place every time. I  
tried copying from different drives, with different chip sets;  
sometimes the whole drive, sometimes just a single large folder.  
Failed every time. Bizarre. Thinking that my poor old powerbook might  
be fading away, I tried large copies between drives I already have,  
and they work just fine. The retailer is taking them back, so I guess  
I'll just shell out a bit more for Lacie, Maxtor or Seagate - they  
should be ok.
>
> Technically speaking you should look into raid systems, there are  
> much more secure methods to use several drives to backup data, they  
> are not only more secure, they are also more effective...

I had the internal drive on my desktop die on me... I ended up getting two external Glyph drives... I highly recommend Glyph... the GT050 drives come with a 3 year warrantee (does not include data retrieval) but they will immediately replace your drive... The drives have built in fans making them ideal for audio/video editing...

I have also started using a small app. called Super Duper for archiving... makes backing up my main drive very easy

http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html

...losing a drive is a painful experience... hope this helps

I had the internal drive on my desktop die on me... I ended up getting two external Glyph drives... I highly recommend Glyph... the GT050 drives come with a 3 year warrantee (does not include data retrieval) but they will immediately replace your drive...  The drives have built in fans making them ideal for audio/video editing...

I have also started using a small app. called Super Duper for archiving...  makes backing up my main drive very easy

Curiously, discussion of problems with firewire drives seems to be going on

in at least two mailing lists at the moment... anyway, just yesterday I

realised that the *cables* can look fine but be intermittently dodgy. Trying

to connect an M-Audio FW 410 to a PC the other day, turned out to be the

Then, I've long been having problems with one of my portable FW discs faling

to mount, yesterday I needed to boot from it, just wouldn't happen even

after a repair with Disk Utility. Changed the *cable* for another one and it

Curiously, discussion of problems with firewire drives seems to be going on
in at least two mailing lists at the moment... anyway, just yesterday I
realised that the *cables* can look fine but be intermittently dodgy. Trying
to connect an M-Audio FW 410 to a PC the other day, turned out to be the
firewire cable which was duff...

Then, I've long been having problems with one of my portable FW discs faling
to mount, yesterday I needed to boot from it, just wouldn't happen even
after a repair with Disk Utility. Changed the *cable* for another one and it
worked perfectly...

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