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[OT] iMac or MacBookPro

November 13, 2006 | 3:28 pm

Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.

Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I’d be interested
to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and how well it
copes with being lugged. As far as I can see, transportability is the
_only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro – the higher spec’ed iMac
looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in fact, possibly better as the
internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed to 5400 in the laptop), and if
I always drive to any gig I’m taking part in then does it really matter?

Or am I missing something here?

thanks

David


November 13, 2006 | 3:40 pm

Not exactly gigging with it, but after getting a new
iMac at work, I took to carrying it from one office to
another, to avoid having to work on a creaking old
eMac; it fit’s nicely under the arm, and you could
probably even velcro the keyboard to the back of it,
so that you can carry a cup of tea in the other hand
;-)
cheers
Roger
— David Stevens wrote:

> Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision
> than I thought.
>
> Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance?
> I’d be interested
> to hear your experience of lugging the thing around,
> and how well it
> copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
> transportability is the
> _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro – the
> higher spec’ed iMac
> looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in fact,
> possibly better as the
> internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed to 5400 in
> the laptop), and if
> I always drive to any gig I’m taking part in then
> does it really matter?
>
> Or am I missing something here?
>
> thanks
>
> David
>


November 13, 2006 | 3:40 pm

>Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.
>
>Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I’d be
>interested to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and
>how well it copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
>transportability is the _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro –
>the higher spec’ed iMac looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in
>fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed
>to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any gig I’m taking
>part in then does it really matter?
>
>Or am I missing something here?

I used an Imac on some gigs (the G5), but I mostly use a powerbook

ok, I am not driving (can be train, plane, whatever) so for travelin
a Pbook (or McBook) is easier, of course. I kept the original package
of the IMac, and have no problems – if you take the foot off it fits
in a rack as well, which might be another solution.

performance wise – of course teh G5 is faster than the G4 (pbook) –
so it’s better.

what is "worse" :

_no FW800 (it did not change as far as i know)
_of course no pc card (means no RME multiface – but that’s the same
on the McBook)
_it makes more noise than the PBook
_connectivity is not the same (I am thinking about the video for
instance – you have to hack the iMac (with a patch) to have different
images on 2 screens – i guess it’s still teh same on new iMacs)
_no track pad – and for me, for playing live , that’s a BIG minus – i
never was able to use a mouse for live playing, and the external
trackpads are no good (at least those that I tried).

but yes, taht’s a good solution if you travel in your own car, and
don’t use a trackpad

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

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November 13, 2006 | 4:09 pm


November 13, 2006 | 4:32 pm


November 13, 2006 | 4:39 pm

I have been using a G5 iMac for some of my performances for a while
now – sure it is bulkier than a PB, but I love that extra screen
space. I haven’t had any problems. When I have to fly I still use a PB.

Best

L

On 13 Nov 2006, at 15:28, David Stevens wrote:

> Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.
>
> Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I’d be
> interested to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and
> how well it copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
> transportability is the _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro
> – the higher spec’ed iMac looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in
> fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed
> to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any gig I’m taking
> part in then does it really matter?
>
> Or am I missing something here?
>
> thanks
>
> David

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Lawrence Electronic Operations – http://www.lcasserley.co.uk
Colourscape Music Festivals – http://www.colourscape.org.uk


November 13, 2006 | 4:41 pm

>
>The RME thing is a pain, and is a problem whatever I do as it
>doesn’t appear that RME are working on a new card (whatever it’s
>called) for the BookPros. (Which means that I’ll have a
>Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone’s interested).

ok, i have 2 to sell!! – but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card…

not sure, just what the kind of told me in one email

best

kasper


November 13, 2006 | 5:02 pm

Hi,

there’a company working on this, let’s hope …

Otherways another one to sell ;-)

http://www.duel-systems.com/products/adapters.aspx

All the best

Alessandro Fogar

2006/11/13, Kasper T Toeplitz :
> >
> >The RME thing is a pain, and is a problem whatever I do as it
> >doesn’t appear that RME are working on a new card (whatever it’s
> >called) for the BookPros. (Which means that I’ll have a
> >Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone’s interested).
>
>
> ok, i have 2 to sell!! – but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
> working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card…
>
> not sure, just what the kind of told me in one email
>
>
> best
>
> kasper
>


November 14, 2006 | 12:05 am

darn it – now there’s a flood on the market!

On 13 Nov 2006, at 17:02, Alessandro Fogar wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there’a company working on this, let’s hope …
>
> Otherways another one to sell ;-)
>
>
>> (Which means that I’ll have a
>> >Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone’s interested).
>>
>>
>> ok, i have 2 to sell!! – but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
>> working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card…
>>


November 18, 2006 | 6:34 am

David Stevens wrote:
> As far as I can see, transportability is the _only_ advantage you get
> with a MacBookPro – the higher spec’ed iMac looks to be equivalent to
> the laptop (in fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is
> 7200 as opposed to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any
> gig I’m taking part in then does it really matter?

One advantage of any laptop over other solutions is mostly overseen. It
has a built in uninteruptable power supply.
You will appreciate it if you happen to have been a participant of a
power failure.
Once I was set up after a fuckin’ brilliant performance of Frieder
Butzmann. He put a wind generator on stage, one of those which are used
in film studios to mimik a real storm… Sitting in the audience and you
get wind blown into your face was just wonderfull. BUT it blew not only
the wind, it blew all main fuses of the house as well…

That time I had a pretty power addicted settup with a computer that had
to boot from a floppy, and a sampler that had to load a lot of sounds
from a floppy… You get the picture…

I would never want to rely too much on power on always. If its coming
back, your patch will still sit there waiting to play immediatly, but
only if you have a laptop…

The other advantage is: I can work in the metro/bus/train/plane/garden…
I’d never switch my powerbook for a twice as fast iMac…

Stefan


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November 18, 2006 | 6:35 am

Alessandro Fogar wrote:
> Otherways another one to sell ;-)

Hey don’t drop the prices too much, I need some cash for mine… ;-)

Stefan


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November 18, 2006 | 10:27 am

On 18 Nov 2006, at 6:34, Stefan Tiedje wrote

>
> One advantage of any laptop over other solutions is mostly
> overseen. It has a built in uninteruptable power supply.

I’d kind of discounted that one as far as performance goes – if the
power goes you’re not going to be performing anyway – no amps! But of
course it does mean that your laptop is still running when the power
comes back on, so no waiting for everything to reload. I have this
vague memory of being in a performance where the power _was_
interrupted, and Max froze anyway, (this would have been on a Pismo
or earlier, and might have been due to the midi interface more than
max itself. Do you remember that period when midi was forever
freezing things up?), so maybe that’s where I got the idea that the
batteries weren’t necessarily going to save the day! Next time I’m
running Max I’ll pull the power and see what happens!

Oh, and I got the MacBook Pro in the end. Rendering movies in iDVD is
insanely faster (around 2 instead of 6-8 hours). My latest Max patch
seems to be using the same amount of cpu according to the DSP panel,
but runs _much_ smoother. I haven’t really had time to have a proper
look yet; one thing that surprised me is that I’m pretty sure I used
xrecord~ in the patch, and it seems to be working, as do all of the
other third party externals I use.

David


November 18, 2006 | 11:11 am

On 18-nov.-06, at 07:34, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

>
> I would never want to rely too much on power on always. If its coming
> back, your patch will still sit there waiting to play immediatly, but
> only if you have a laptop…

MSP doesn’t like when its soundcard is turned off. After the latest
power failure I lived, I even had to switch off my laptop and restart
it twice before the soundcard (an old 828) was found back by Max…

p


November 19, 2006 | 1:13 pm

Patrick Delges wrote:
> MSP doesn’t like when its soundcard is turned off. After the latest
> power failure I lived, I even had to switch off my laptop and restart it
> twice before the soundcard (an old 828) was found back by Max…

Max doesn’t recognize it correctly or can’t addapt to changes. My
observations so far: If you happen to have a failure with a non
bus-powered interface, go to DSP status, choose the internal audio,
choose your interface again. This seemed to do the trick, as the
interface is still listed.
I had issues crashing Max if the interface was unplugged, and I would
choose it…
This might vary with the interface itself…
With USB Midi, i’d only need to replug a Midi interface to get back
going. But it seems to be necessary to do it manually…

Stefan


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