[OT] MacBook Pro purchase advice

Jun 15, 2008 at 2:27pm

[OT] MacBook Pro purchase advice

I am looking at the options on a new MacBook 17″.

I have one of the first MacBook Intel machines with
with 2 GB memory and 2.16 GHz processor.I have no
particular complain about its performance
except the the 100 GB disk is getting a little tight.
It has been getting a little flaky lately so it’s time for
an upgrade.

Memory: 2GB or 4GB?
Disk: 5400 rpm or 7200 rpm?
Processor: 2.5 GHz or 2.6?

I will be using it primarily for Max/MSP running Kontakt 3 as an
auxiliary synth.
Some Final Cut and DVD Pro editing but not at the same time as Max/MSP.

I am planning to use Carbon Copy Cloner to wipe the new machine and
install
the system from the old one so I don’t have reinstall all of my
software. I’ve
done this before and it works great. Then I plan to install Tiger
which I already own.

Suggestions? Observations? Caveats?

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

#38416
Jun 15, 2008 at 2:47pm

i have the same macbookpro
but use an external hd – Glyph GT050 – maybe an option

if you get a new one
i always recommend as much memory as you can afford
always faster than hd

7200 for sfplay~

#133982
Jun 15, 2008 at 2:55pm

I use a 7200 rpm external HD for Kontakt samples and another for
streaming video images. That won’t change. What I am wonder is
whether 7200 rpm significant improves interactions with the system disk.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:47 AM, don malone wrote:

>
> i have the same macbookpro
> but use an external hd – Glyph GT050 – maybe an option
>
> if you get a new one
> i always recommend as much memory as you can afford
> always faster than hd
>
> 7200 for sfplay~
> –
> it takes all of us
> LoneMonad
> http://faculty.roosevelt.edu/malone/default.htm

#133983
Jun 15, 2008 at 3:11pm

Have you verified that you can install 10.4 on a new Macbook Pro?
Often newer hardware is unsupported by the old OS, especially
individual components such as the video card and optical drive.

#133984
Jun 15, 2008 at 4:02pm

Good point. I am running 10.4.11 on a MacBook Pro now but I suppose
there may have been hardware changes in two years. I’ll check that
tomorrow.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Gregory Cornelius wrote:

> Have you verified that you can install 10.4 on a new Macbook Pro?
> Often newer hardware is unsupported by the old OS, especially
> individual components such as the video card and optical drive.

#133985
Jun 15, 2008 at 4:13pm

>Good point. I am running 10.4.11 on a MacBook Pro now but I suppose
>there may have been hardware changes in two years. I’ll check that
>tomorrow.
>

I have a 17″ macBook pro, the 2.5 model, 2 giga RAM and a 7200 HD –
So far I used it a few times on stage, running maxmsp,, real time
synthesis, some plug-ins, controlling the DMX etc etc – and have no
complaints at all
mac OS 10.5 of course

best

kasper


Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart

#133986
Jun 15, 2008 at 6:36pm

#133987
Jun 15, 2008 at 7:33pm

Yes, that’s exactly what I have now but with 10.4.11. It has been
very reliable on stage and on tour. My questions have more to do
with what I might improve on a new machine. I have a vote for 7200
rpm and 2.5 GHz. I went with the smaller 100 GB disk to get 7200 on
my old machine but, as I said, I was running low on disk space. The
new machine has 200 GM on a 7200.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> Good point. I am running 10.4.11 on a MacBook Pro now but I
>> suppose there may have been hardware changes in two years. I’ll
>> check that tomorrow.
>>
>
>
> I have a 17″ macBook pro, the 2.5 model, 2 giga RAM and a 7200 HD –
> So far I used it a few times on stage, running maxmsp,, real time
> synthesis, some plug-ins, controlling the DMX etc etc – and have no
> complaints at all
> mac OS 10.5 of course
>
> best
>
> kasper
>
> —
> Kasper T. Toeplitz
> noise, composition, bass, computer
> http://www.sleazeArt.com
>
> http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart
>

#133988
Jun 16, 2008 at 7:01am

On 15 juin 08, at 20:36, Roald Baudoux wrote:

> The faster the hard drive the better the global performance, as the
> computer uses the hard disk for its virtual memory and for swapping
> among other things. So go for a 7200 rpm HDD.

But a 7200 rpm disc needs more power, and may dissipate more heat…

p

>

——————
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

http://www.crfmw.be/max

#133989
Jun 16, 2008 at 10:39am

#133990
Jun 16, 2008 at 11:02am

I would say 2.5 GHz and 4 GB for sure.
The extra performance 2.6 GHz buys you is just not worth the extra money, IMO.

What to do with the hard disk is hard to say. 7200 might give you some improvement, but it depends on what generation it is. A newest generation 5400 hard disk using perpendicular recording reaches the same speeds as a previous generation 7200, since the areal density of the platters is higher. This affects random reads and writes too.

The power usage is not really an issue in the bigger picture of this machine’s power consumption. Minutes of battery life.

7200 rpm drives do tend to produce more noise on seeks…

So, I would go 5400, unless you find some information confiming an actual real lifer speed benifit that to you is worth the extra money.

How about the screen?? There is a high resolution option these days.

regards,
kjg

#133991
Jun 16, 2008 at 1:07pm

Hi,

Maybe these test?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=422398/#16

http://barefeats.com/mbcd7.html

I use for now a PowerBook G4 with a 7200rpm harddisk and it is actual faster in reading/writing/starting-up anything then before.

I have never noticed more heat or less battery, only more speed! :)

The only problem that i have since the 7200rpm harddisk is that there is no power enough at the USB bus to give external USB drives bus powered energy. FireWire bus power gives no problem.

Is there anybody how have the same USB bus-power problem with the new MacBook Pro 2.5 – 200 GB 7200rpm harddrive?

#133992
Jun 16, 2008 at 2:21pm

My 7200 rpm drive is in the MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, and it powers the USB bus without any problems. My Audio Interface and Korg controller keyboard are fully powered, simultaneously, off their USB connections, while my iPod is recharging at the same time . . . Also, there is no noise whatsoever, so I’m a little puzzled by noise compaints! Is there noise on the 2.5 GHz model?

It does drain the battery faster, but then anyone use Logic, Max, etc. is going to be draining the battery faster, and if you are performing, you shouldn’t be using the battery anyway.

On Monday, June 16, 2008, at 09:44AM, “bart” wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>Maybe these test?
>
>
>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=422398/#16
>http://barefeats.com/mbcd7.html
>
>I use for now a PowerBook G4 with a 7200rpm harddisk and it is actual faster in reading/writing/starting-up anything then before.
>
>I have never noticed more heat or less battery, only more speed! :)
>
>The only problem that i have since the 7200rpm harddisk is that there is no power enough at the USB bus to give external USB drives bus powered energy. FireWire bus power gives no problem.
>
>Is there anybody how have the same USB bus-power problem with the new MacBook Pro 2.5 – 200 GB 7200rpm harddrive?
>
>

#133993
Jun 17, 2008 at 7:59pm

I am looking at the same

4GB
7200 of course!
i am “eh” on 200/400$ more for that small of a jump on the Ghz.

On Sun Jun 15 10:27:32 EDT 2008, Gary Lee Nelson
wrote:

> I am looking at the options on a new MacBook 17″.
>
> I have one of the first MacBook Intel machines with
> with 2 GB memory and 2.16 GHz processor.I have no
> particular complain about its performance
> except the the 100 GB disk is getting a little tight.
> It has been getting a little flaky lately so it’s time for
> an upgrade.
>
> Memory: 2GB or 4GB?
> Disk: 5400 rpm or 7200 rpm?
> Processor: 2.5 GHz or 2.6?
>
> I will be using it primarily for Max/MSP running Kontakt 3 as an
> auxiliary synth.
> Some Final Cut and DVD Pro editing but not at the same time as
> Max/MSP.
>
> I am planning to use Carbon Copy Cloner to wipe the new machine
> and install
> the system from the old one so I don’t have reinstall all of my
> software. I’ve
> done this before and it works great. Then I plan to install
> Tiger which I already own.
>
> Suggestions? Observations? Caveats?
>
> Cheers
> Gary Lee Nelson
> TIMARA Department
> Oberlin College
> http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>
>
>
>
>

Patrick Pagano,M.F.A
Sound and Light Technologist
Nadine McGuire Theatre & Dance Pavilion
GAINESVILLE FL US 32611-5900
University Of Florida
(352) 273-1483

#133994
Jun 17, 2008 at 9:01pm

#133995
Jun 18, 2008 at 6:22am

4 Bg all the way ! !!
I Just upgraded my 2.33 GHz MBP from 2 to 4 Gb, and the difference is night and day. My huge patch full of poly’s and sound files took + 2 min to load, now it’s less than 10 seconds !!

Ph

#133996
Jun 18, 2008 at 8:38am

>
>
>>I am looking at the options on a new MacBook 17″.

oh, and I forgot to tell you – I ordered it with the new screen, the
1920x 1200 – it’s just great!!! When i use my old (PPC) 1440×900
pBook, it seems so…. strange now

i really recommend it

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart

#133997
Jun 18, 2008 at 10:26am

what about the firewire chip on newer macs?

i have heard it is slower than the previous chip, since apple changed to a different manufacturer… < ?>

#133998
Jun 18, 2008 at 7:04pm

Quote: Phijel wrote on Tue, 17 June 2008 23:22
—————————————————-
> 4 Bg all the way ! !!
> I Just upgraded my 2.33 GHz MBP from 2 to 4 Gb, and the difference is night and day. My huge patch full of poly’s and sound files took + 2 min to load, now it’s less than 10 seconds !!
>
> Ph
—————————————————-

I’ve been thinking about getting more RAM for my MBP, but Apple RAM is overpriced. I know some people get their RAM elsewhere: crucial.com seems to be a popular choice. For my laptop, they’d charge $50 for a 2 GB stick while Apple is $200!

Any recommendations or bad experiences with 3rd party RAM vendors?

Gary, assuming there’s no issues with 3rd party RAM, it’ll definitely save you money to get a Mac with the least possible RAM and buy more elsewhere.

#133999
Jun 18, 2008 at 7:32pm

I have had good luck with crucial.com

pp

On Wed Jun 18 15:04:20 EDT 2008, Adam Murray
wrote:

>
> Quote: Phijel wrote on Tue, 17 June 2008 23:22
> —————————————————-
>> 4 Bg all the way ! !!
>> I Just upgraded my 2.33 GHz MBP from 2 to 4 Gb, and the
>> difference is night and day. My huge patch full of poly’s and
>> sound files took + 2 min to load, now it’s less than 10 seconds
>> !!
>>
>> Ph
> —————————————————-
>
> I’ve been thinking about getting more RAM for my MBP, but Apple
> RAM is overpriced. I know some people get their RAM elsewhere:
> crucial.com seems to be a popular choice. For my laptop, they’d
> charge $50 for a 2 GB stick while Apple is $200! Any
> recommendations or bad experiences with 3rd party RAM vendors?
>
> Gary, assuming there’s no issues with 3rd party RAM, it’ll
> definitely save you money to get a Mac with the least possible
> RAM and buy more elsewhere.
> –
> Adam Murray
> compusition.com
>
>

Patrick Pagano,M.F.A
Sound and Light Technologist
Nadine McGuire Theatre & Dance Pavilion
GAINESVILLE FL US 32611-5900
University Of Florida
(352) 273-1483

#134000
Jun 18, 2008 at 7:57pm

Thanks to all who offered advice.

I am narrowing it down…

4GB RAM (is memory difficult to install?)
200GB 7200 rpm disk
Hi-Res display? – it’s only $90 more but I already have difficulty
reading some things on my 1680×1050. In addition, I have an apple
cinema display so screen space is not an issue.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Adam Murray wrote:

>
> Quote: Phijel wrote on Tue, 17 June 2008 23:22
> —————————————————-
>> 4 Bg all the way ! !!
>> I Just upgraded my 2.33 GHz MBP from 2 to 4 Gb, and the difference
>> is night and day. My huge patch full of poly’s and sound files
>> took + 2 min to load, now it’s less than 10 seconds !!
>>
>> Ph
> —————————————————-
>
> I’ve been thinking about getting more RAM for my MBP, but Apple RAM
> is overpriced. I know some people get their RAM elsewhere:
> crucial.com seems to be a popular choice. For my laptop, they’d
> charge $50 for a 2 GB stick while Apple is $200!
>
> Any recommendations or bad experiences with 3rd party RAM vendors?
>
> Gary, assuming there’s no issues with 3rd party RAM, it’ll
> definitely save you money to get a Mac with the least possible RAM
> and buy more elsewhere.
> –
> Adam Murray
> compusition.com

#134001
Jun 18, 2008 at 8:52pm

I looooooooooove the hi-res display myself, but my eyes are still in excellent shape . . . so far. It’s very, very fine in terms of character size, etc.

On Wednesday, June 18, 2008, at 04:06PM, “Gary Lee Nelson” wrote:
>Thanks to all who offered advice.
>
>I am narrowing it down…
>
>4GB RAM (is memory difficult to install?)
>200GB 7200 rpm disk
>Hi-Res display? – it’s only $90 more but I already have difficulty
>reading some things on my 1680×1050. In addition, I have an apple
>cinema display so screen space is not an issue.
>
>Cheers
>Gary Lee Nelson
>TIMARA Department
>Oberlin College
>http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>
>
>
>On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Adam Murray wrote:
>
>>
>> Quote: Phijel wrote on Tue, 17 June 2008 23:22
>> —————————————————-
>>> 4 Bg all the way ! !!
>>> I Just upgraded my 2.33 GHz MBP from 2 to 4 Gb, and the difference
>>> is night and day. My huge patch full of poly’s and sound files
>>> took + 2 min to load, now it’s less than 10 seconds !!
>>>
>>> Ph
>> —————————————————-
>>
>> I’ve been thinking about getting more RAM for my MBP, but Apple RAM
>> is overpriced. I know some people get their RAM elsewhere:
>> crucial.com seems to be a popular choice. For my laptop, they’d
>> charge $50 for a 2 GB stick while Apple is $200!
>>
>> Any recommendations or bad experiences with 3rd party RAM vendors?
>>
>> Gary, assuming there’s no issues with 3rd party RAM, it’ll
>> definitely save you money to get a Mac with the least possible RAM
>> and buy more elsewhere.
>> –
>> Adam Murray
>> compusition.com
>
>

#134002
Jun 19, 2008 at 1:46am

> I’ve been thinking about getting more RAM for my MBP, but Apple RAM is
> overpriced. I know some people get their RAM elsewhere: crucial.com seems to
> be a popular choice. For my laptop, they’d charge $50 for a 2 GB stick while
> Apple is $200!
>
> Any recommendations or bad experiences with 3rd party RAM vendors?

Good experience with crucial.com.

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