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[OT] osX on Pismo??

January 27, 2007 | 6:01 pm

Hi

I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…

I am wondering if i can install an OSX on it…

__as it is I have no use for it (I have ketp an OS9 partition on a
Titanium, so for the very few apps which I _could_ use on os 9, it’s
better)

just wondering if it is possible…

I would do it from an osX install DVD, with an external (USB) DVD player…..

did anyone try something like this?? can it work?? (the idea would
be to use it for some very basic max and some primitive msp… just
in case I need another machine – for instance a display,
communicating by maxhole with the main msp mac)

many thanks

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

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January 27, 2007 | 6:21 pm


January 27, 2007 | 6:24 pm

Don’t see why not…looks like Apple says it’s ok (Pismo is the PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct? They list having a firewire port as a requirement). They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you’ve got the CD drive):

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html

Perhaps someone else has actually tried it though and knows the pitfalls for sure….

Quote: Kasper T Toeplitz wrote on Sat, 27 January 2007 10:01
—————————————————-
> Hi
>
> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…
>
> I am wondering if i can install an OSX on it…
>
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January 27, 2007 | 6:31 pm

>Don’t see why not…looks like Apple says it’s ok (Pismo is the
>PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct? They list having a firewire port
>as a requirement). They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the
>external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you’ve got the CD
>drive):
>
>http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
>

AHHHHHHHHH

no firewire on mine………

tooo bad!!

thanks

kasper


January 27, 2007 | 6:36 pm

On 27-janv.-07, at 19:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…

Salut Kasper,

if it’s only for basic Max/MSP stuff, why don’t you just stay in OS9?
It’s so funny to have to work on older Max versions, and still have to
use OMS, and choose which extensions the system will load ;-)

I’m afraid your pismo is a bit too small for OSX. I know it was
possible to install the first OSX systems on a pismo, but I don’t up to
which version.

< ...>

> for instance a display, communicating by maxhole with the main msp mac)

There are udp objects for older versions of Max. No need for Java!

p


January 27, 2007 | 6:59 pm

On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…

If it’s a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it’s either 400 or
500MHz. I have one, and it’s running 10.4.8 without any problems,
although it’s not what one could call a high-performance machine
these days.

– N.


January 27, 2007 | 7:16 pm

>On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>
>>I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…
>
>If it’s a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it’s either 400 or
>500MHz. I have one, and it’s running 10.4.8 without any problems,
>although it’s not what one could call a high-performance machine
>these days.
>

so maybe it"s not pismo – 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo, for sure)

thanks

kasper


January 27, 2007 | 9:17 pm

On 27 Jan 2007, at 19:16, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> so maybe it"s not pismo – 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo,
> for sure)

Lombard, then.

SCSI and an optional Zip drive – how cool is that?

– N.


January 28, 2007 | 12:29 pm

Lombard. That’s what I used for OS X for several years. It’s very
slow but it works.

The story that now can be told: I did the entire testing of the first
Carbon Litter Power for Max/MSP 4.2 on that machine.

So it does work. At least to Mac OS X 1.3.

On 27-Jan-2007, at 20:16, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that’s 333mghz) which runs OS9…
>>
>> If it’s a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it’s either 400 or
>> 500MHz. I have one, and it’s running 10.4.8 without any problems,
>> although it’s not what one could call a high-performance machine
>> these days.
>>
>
> so maybe it"s not pismo – 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo,
> for sure)
>
> thanks
>
> kasper
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January 28, 2007 | 12:46 pm

>Lombard. That’s what I used for OS X for several years. It’s very
>slow but it works.
>

very slow means slower than with os9???

in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

thanks

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart


January 28, 2007 | 1:04 pm

28/01/07, kl. 13:45 +0100 , skrev Kasper T Toeplitz:

>
>very slow means slower than with os9???
Yes. OS 9 is really lightweigt . My Pismo 400MHz feels fast on OS 9, on
OS X its crawling.

>
>in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??
Don’t upgrade if you can do what you wan’t in OS 9.

/J


January 28, 2007 | 1:21 pm

>
>Don’t upgrade if you can do what you wan’t in OS 9.
>

actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don’t
use since a long time……)

thanks

kasper


January 28, 2007 | 3:30 pm

On 28-Jan-2007, at 13:45, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> very slow means slower than with os9???

Yes

>
> in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

I would stick with OS 9 on this machine.

At the time I got the Lombard as the least expensive machine that
could possibly run OS X so I could test my externals. The fact that
this configuration was a stress test was, for me, an added benefit.
For you it would not be a benefit.

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f.e
January 29, 2007 | 7:47 am

Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you need
this poor one too ? .-)

f.e

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Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>>
>> Don’t upgrade if you can do what you wan’t in OS 9.
>>
>
>
> actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don’t
> use since a long time……)
>
> thanks
>
> kasper
>


January 29, 2007 | 8:26 am

On 29 janv. 07, at 08:47, f.e wrote:

> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you
> need this poor one too ? .-)

Maybe because a Lombard is black.

p



f.e
January 29, 2007 | 8:36 am

:-)) Good point !

f.e

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

Patrick Delges wrote:
>
> On 29 janv. 07, at 08:47, f.e wrote:
>
>> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you
>> need this poor one too ? .-)
>
> Maybe because a Lombard is black.
>
> p
>
>


January 29, 2007 | 12:51 pm

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> very slow means slower than with os9???

When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower, but OS
X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.

> in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

Depends what you want to do with it, and whats more important: bells and
whistles of Max 4.6 or can you live with 4.2…

If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux and
run Pd…

Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the money.
Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very well, even
when they are broken…)

Stefan


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January 29, 2007 | 1:04 pm

>
>If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux
>and run Pd…

this i s a little too much right now for me – i am struggling with
OpenMusic already, still talking about learning javascript some day,
have to get deeper into Reaktor and DP….

>
>Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the
>money. Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very
>well, even when they are broken…)

To sell the first computer which could be used as a real instrument??
are you crazy?? I always regreated selling my very first bass!!

best

kasper


January 29, 2007 | 1:57 pm

On 29-Jan-2007, at 13:51, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>> very slow means slower than with os9???
>
> When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower,
> but OS X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.

But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine
that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is
not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to
install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don’t know if it’s worth the
effort.

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January 30, 2007 | 5:04 am

kasper,

it appearantly can work with panther or tiger:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=25997
there was this program called xpostfacto, which helps installing os x on
unsupported machines: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11168

if its worth doing? thats a different question, though…

hth
hans
http://www.hans-w-koch.net
Zitat von Peter Castine

:

> On 29-Jan-2007, at 13:51, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
> > Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> >> very slow means slower than with os9???
> >
> > When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower,
> > but OS X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.
>
> But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine
> that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is
> not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to
> install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don’t know if it’s worth the
> effort.
>
>
> ————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
> Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
> Universal Binaries on the way
> iCE: Sequencing, Recording &
> Interface Building for |home | chez nous|
> Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|
> http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de
>
>
>


January 30, 2007 | 12:00 pm

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> this i s a little too much right now…

Oh I forgot the smileys… ;-)))) I know you are a busy man…

Stefan


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