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[OT] Who invented ring modulation and who used it first in a composition?

November 2, 2008 | 7:55 pm

Hello,

I cannot find who invented ring modulation as a technique for sound
transformation and when. A source names Harald Bode but I cannot
find a confirmation nor a date.

Are there compositions using it prior to Stockhausen’s Kontakte?

Thank you for helping.

Roald Baudoux
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November 2, 2008 | 8:24 pm

Bode is also mentioned in the CMT as one of the pioneers of ring modulation. The sources Roads cites from Bode in conjunction with RM are:

Bode, H. 1967. "The multiplier type ring modulator." Electronic Music Review 1.

Bode, H. 1984. "History of electronic sound modification." Journal of the Audio Engineering Society 32(10): 730-739.

Those both look very promising…

–Brennon


November 2, 2008 | 8:53 pm

They also call it Double Side Band amplitude modulation,
The term RM is coming from an analogue device where the electronic circuit
looked like
a ring and the input signal is modulated by an on/off signal.

if that helps.

regards,
sophocles

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Roald Baudoux wrote:

> Hello,
> I cannot find who invented ring modulation as a technique for sound
> transformation and when. A source names Harald Bode but I cannot find a
> confirmation nor a date.
>
> Are there compositions using it prior to Stockhausen’s Kontakte?
>
> Thank you for helping.
>
> Roald Baudoux
> ——————————–
> Composer of electroacoustic art (acousmatic music, sound installations,
> live electronics).
> (http://www.roaldbaudoux.org/)
>
> Junior Lecturer for the Royal Conservatory of Music (Mons, Belgium).
> (http://www.conservatoire-mons.be)
> ——————————–
> Tel/fax: +32.(0)2.503.23.46
> Mobile: +32.(0)497.32.38.13
>
>
>
>
>
>


November 2, 2008 | 9:17 pm

This thread is rather interesting.

Would you guys care to lay down the basic principles behind ring modulation again by posting a number of explanatory links?

Thank you very much!

jrp


November 2, 2008 | 11:23 pm

Hi,

MSP tutorials 8 and 9 talk about ring modulation. You could start there.

Best,

Nicolas
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> Subject: [maxmsp] What exactly is ring modulation and where can i read about this?
>
>
> This thread is rather interesting.
>
> Would you guys care to lay down the basic principles behind ring modulation again by posting a number of explanatory links?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> jrp
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November 2, 2008 | 11:34 pm

Hey, ring modulation is covered quite extensively in the Computer Music Tutorial (Roads, ISBN-10: 0262680823). I think it might also say quite a bit about the origin of the effect, as well as the maths and application side of it.


November 3, 2008 | 12:48 pm

Karlheinz Stockhausen was using it a lot in the 50s, but perhaps some other composers (or non-musicians) knew it before him.


November 3, 2008 | 9:28 pm

Harold Bode in his article "The Multiplier-Type Ring Modulator" (Electronic
Music Rewiew Jan. 67) mentions the Klangumformer (L. Heck and P. Buerck), a
sophisticated ring modulator of 1956. So, I am pretty sure, that this
technique was used before 1956.

Bruno Spoerri

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> composition?
>
> Hello,
>
> I cannot find who invented ring modulation as a technique for sound
> transformation and when. A source names Harald Bode but I cannot
> find a confirmation nor a date.
>
> Are there compositions using it prior to Stockhausen’s Kontakte?
>
> Thank you for helping.
>
> Roald Baudoux
> ——————————–
> Composer of electroacoustic art (acousmatic music, sound
> installations, live electronics).
> (http://www.roaldbaudoux.org/)
>
> Junior Lecturer for the Royal Conservatory of Music (Mons, Belgium).
> (http://www.conservatoire-mons.be)
> ——————————–
> Tel/fax: +32.(0)2.503.23.46
> Mobile: +32.(0)497.32.38.13
>
>
>


November 3, 2008 | 9:47 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulator

goes back to stockhausen’s kontake, if in a kind of unorganized fashion, the lack of a properly ordered historical section.

harold bode’s article is missing there, but they mention the use of ring modulators as a technical feature of older fm radios.


November 4, 2008 | 7:43 am

jayrope schrieb:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulator

Also the subharchord was using ring modulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subharchord

I am pretty sure Oskar Sala was using ring modulation as well, but I
don’t know since when…

Stefan


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November 4, 2008 | 8:26 am

I don’t find any trace of a ring modulator in the description of the
subharchord.
But Werner Meyer-Eppler described the musical application of RM already 1949
in his book "Elektrische Klangerzeugung" (as mentioned in Elena Ungeheuers
book on p. 208), and he demonstrated his experiments in June 1953 in Delft.

Bruno Spoerri

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> Betreff: Re: [maxmsp] Re: [OT] Who invented ring modulation and who used it
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>
> jayrope schrieb:
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulator
>
> Also the subharchord was using ring modulation
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subharchord
>
> I am pretty sure Oskar Sala was using ring modulation as well, but I
> don’t know since when…
>
> Stefan
>
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November 4, 2008 | 11:10 am

…EXXTERRMMMINNATE…

i believe ring mod was also used for the daleks in dr who (bbc radiophonic / delia derbyshire). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_who

;)

justin


November 4, 2008 | 3:38 pm

Mr. Spoerri, just out of curiosity: Do you own all the books you quote? A quite impressive collection! How could a normal non-academic like me have access to those? I am situated in Berlin.

jrp


November 4, 2008 | 3:43 pm

Bruno Spoerri schrieb:
> I don’t find any trace of a ring modulator in the description of the
> subharchord.

I found it on the german wikipedia

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subharchord

as well as there:

http://www.subharchord.com/sub_frameset/gebrauchsanweisung/Schreibertext.html

> But Werner Meyer-Eppler described the musical application of RM already 1949
> in his book "Elektrische Klangerzeugung" (as mentioned in Elena Ungeheuers
> book on p. 208), and he demonstrated his experiments in June 1953 in Delft.

curious if Stockhausen heard (of) these experiments, or maybe some of
the people at WDR…

Stefan


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November 4, 2008 | 6:19 pm


November 4, 2008 | 6:24 pm

> I found it on the german wikipedia
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subharchord
as well as there:
>
> http://www.subharchord.com/sub_frameset/gebrauchsanweisung/Schreibertext.html
>
>> But Werner Meyer-Eppler described the musical application of RM already 1949
>> in his book "Elektrische Klangerzeugung" (as mentioned in Elena Ungeheuers
>> book on p. 208), and he demonstrated his experiments in June 1953 in Delft.
>
> curious if Stockhausen heard (of) these experiments, or maybe some of
> the people at WDR…

You’re right! thank you!
And, of course, Stockhausen worked with Meyer-Eppler…
Bruno


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