Cycling 74 » Topic: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/feed Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:53:55 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-63837 <![CDATA[Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-63837 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:07:34 +0000 baramus Hello there,

Im working on an interactive project using a Kinect. With body gestures people can rotate a large projected global sphere, everything on that side is pretty much fine. The problem i’m having is with the Y axis. The pak rotatexyz object sends the orientation of the 3d object to my jit.gl.gridshape object. The X axis always behaves as you would expect but depending on the position of the X axis the Y axis will behave differently. Its like it has to stick to its pole orientation and becomes very unintuitive to a user, as in a person swipes their hand up and down vertically and it moves like you’d expect but then the X axis will change 60 degrees or so and the same up down hand swipe will have a completely different effect.

Hopefully you can understand what im talking about.

Is there a different object i can use? or a way of simplifying, or a way of removing the “pole” of orientation from the Y axis.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Cheers

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230209 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230209 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:59:33 +0000 chrisoconnor A patch would be really helpful.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230210 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230210 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:05:33 +0000 baramus Chris,

Sorry for not uploading in the first place, so, if you fiddle around with the rotation of the sphere manually (which has the same effect as hand gestures do via the Kinect) you can see that the result of changing the 1st int box will differ depending on the value of the second int box, making the cause and effect of the interaction seem unclear.

I zipped up the patch because there is a jpg needed for texture of sphere.

I hope this makes my problem more clear

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230211 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230211 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 19:50:39 +0000 Rob Ramirez perhaps you want local rotations instead of world.
the rotate attributes of gl objects happen in world-space (meaning the rotation is the same, regardless of the objects local axes).

you can do local rotations by using the “anim_turn” message to jit.anim.node with @turnmode local.
i’ve added an jit.anim.node and a jit.anim.drive to your patch to allow you to perform the animation using the mouse in the jit.window.

i’m not sure if you’ll find this rotation more intuitive.

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230212 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230212 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:45:11 +0000 baramus Thanks Robert,

The effect is exactly what im looking for but is there any way I can control the rotations without using the mouse, as in controlling the two axes with ints or floats?

Cheers

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230213 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230213 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:10:27 +0000 tobiasros rotatexyz to jit.anim.node?

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230214 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230214 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:35:30 +0000 baramus Thanks tobiasros, but that is essentially doing what I had before. the rotations when manipulated like this do not behave like i want them to, as in the spheres axes will change depending on its position and thus give different rotation results, as in not uniform interaction on both axes at all times

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230215 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230215 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:44:45 +0000 baramus @Robert

The Local rotations work perfectly for me when using the mouse, is there any way I can bypass using the mouse but still get the same results by manipulating integer boxes

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230216 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230216 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:57:31 +0000 tobiasros ah, i guess you are right, it seems that local rotations work only with the anim_turn message

(from the reference:
anim_turn x [float] y [float] z [float]
Rotate the node along each axis by the amount provided, relative to the space indicated by turnmode….

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230217 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230217 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:05:00 +0000 tobiasros this one with scaling…

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230218 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230218 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:48:50 +0000 MuShoo A different way of attacking this: The three number boxes at the top will work exactly like rotatexyz (though setting them all to 0 will not reset the object, but I think it should work for your Kinect purposes) only now they’re world-relative instead of object relative. Key points here are the @animmode attribute being set to ‘world,’ and only sending the delta (difference between successive inputs) to the anim_turn message. Also, pak is not the correct object to use for anim_turn (you wouldn’t want to change the message boxes to a single [pak anim_turn]) because you’ll end up rotating along axes you don’t expect (since pak will store the last number for its internal list, and output it again whenever any one of them turns).

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230219 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230219 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:11:37 +0000 tobiasros nice, with less objects and without uzi and pak is definitely better…

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230220 <![CDATA[Re: Pak rotatexyz problems. Unintuitive movements on Y axis, using Kinect]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/pak-rotatexyz-problems-unintuitive-movements-on-y-axis-using-kinect/#post-230220 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:35:06 +0000 baramus Thanks MuShoo, that’s really great, perfect in fact

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