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					<title><![CDATA[pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Cheng Chien-Wen</dc:creator>

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						<p>As said in the manual, pcontrol can only stops MIDI function while mute~ can only stops audio function.</p>
<p>I was wondering if anybody use both of the two at the same time to stop everything in a subpatch in order to save CPU consumption ?</p>
<p>PS: In fact, these two objects sometimes also don&#8217;t work for objects like fiddle~.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Cheng Chien-Wen</dc:creator>

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						<p>I don&#8217;t think you can put completely different effect modules or software instruments in poly~. </p>
<p>Or do you mean to use a dummy &#8220;single voice poly~&#8221; to replace pcontrol or mute~ for effect and instrument subpatches ? <br />
That&#8217;s really interesting. I should think about it.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Cheng Chien-Wen</dc:creator>

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						<p>I just did a small test on mute~ and poly~ with multiple patches containing fiddle~, they consume almost the same amout of CPU.</p>
<p>I was wondering if anybody else also did the comparison on mute~ and poly~ before and proved that poly~ is better than mute~ when used to stop audio and MIDI function in a subpatch.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Cheng Chien-Wen</dc:creator>

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						<p>Unfortunately, poly~ won&#8217;t be able to stop control rate function in the subpatch. It seems to me that nothing can stop control rate function in a subpatch. What ever data I send to poly subpatch will still be accpeted even if it is muted.</p>
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Pcontrol also won&#8217;t help. I guess pcontrol is especially useless. It in fact stops nothing or only the function of very few objects. What says in the manual is not true. </p>
<p>Now I am having trouble with the CPU consumption resulted from the statistic stuff in my patch.</p>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>dlurk</dc:creator>

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						<p>Cheng Chien-Wen wrote:<br />
> Unfortunately, poly~ won&#8217;t be able to stop control rate function in the subpatch.</p>
<p>[gate], etc.  Check the reference for gate, and check the related <br />
objects too.  In fact, I think there&#8217;s a whole section of similar <br />
importance* and utility in that object-picker widget thing you get when <br />
you insert a new object without holding a modifier key.</p>
<p>You can stop control rate processing anywhere in Max.</p>
<p>* We are talking about the most important objects in Max &#8211; these are <br />
basic logic functions.</p>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pcontrol and mute~ question]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Stefan Tiedje</dc:creator>

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						<p>Cheng Chien-Wen wrote:<br />
> Now I am having trouble with the CPU consumption resulted from the<br />
> statistic stuff in my patch.</p>
<p>just don&#8217;t trigger your statistic stuff, or stop it. The scheduler is <br />
event driven. It won&#8217;t do anything if there are no events&#8230;<br />
In almost 20 years I never ever needed the ancient Midi on/off function. <br />
And in the beginning I had a 8 MHz machine running Max on a Classic&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way pcontrol does work for me when I tested it&#8230;</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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					<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Cheng Chien-Wen</dc:creator>

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						<p>What do you mean by &#8220;argument local to poly~&#8221; ?<br />
Could you explain a little bit further ?<br />
Thanks.</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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						<p>I mean that [poly~] can accepts the word &#8216;local&#8217; as argument.<br />
See the help file (subpatch optional-arguments) and more important MSP<br />
Reference for poly~ object.</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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					<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jean-Francois Charles</dc:creator>

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