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Pedal to control Max/MSP?

June 28, 2006 | 3:26 am

What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?

Thanks


June 28, 2006 | 4:10 am

You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance.

There is some mini USB keyboard, like "Oxygen". If you have one, you don’t need extra MIDI interface and it is easy to carry. You can even use the MIDI faders on it.

Other equipments are also good:
Kenton ControlFreak, Behringer BCR/BCF 2000, Evolution UC33e


June 28, 2006 | 5:54 am

Quote: Cheng Chien-Wen wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 06:10
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> You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance.
—————————————————-
You seem to be forgetting the fact that there are many midi controllers that are already foot pedals. One doesn’t need to buy an additional midi controller at all.

I suggest taking a good long look at the Behringer FCB1010 and something like the midiSport usb midi interfaces. It’ll all fit in a big backpack with a laptop, and it’ll give you oodles of control.

Andreas.


June 28, 2006 | 6:03 am

Obvious:
of all check out ready made pedals which normally plug into midi
keyboards.
check out midi pedal boards
there are direct usb pedals and buttons for the disabled. "usb pedal"
or "usb big button"

Cheap, creative:
if you’ve got an extra usb keyboard/mouse lying around, I would
assume(correct me if I’m wrong) that you could pry off a key and wire
a switch to it. then use the hi object. this is really not a
desirable option.

someone once suggested just putting a mouse on the floor.



f.e
June 28, 2006 | 7:20 am

ENGL – Z12 : the most beautiful, classy foot controller on earth (and
mars). Don’t look at the black one, but the vintage steel one. Sends PGM
changes, so you may use [pgmin] with [sel] and you’re on.

f.e

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|


June 28, 2006 | 8:25 am

actuallly the rolls of them all is the Roland FC 200 – sends anything
you would need (CC, notes, program changes….) you can hok up to 8
external controllers, has a build in expression pedal, is
programmable. Is also bulky and expensive

the behringer is good and cheap – but has less possibilities (no
external controllers)

I use quite often the Boss FC50 – program changes, 4 external
controllers (2 of them being continous)

Doepfer makes a kit which works very well – and is rather cheap

…..

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


June 28, 2006 | 1:49 pm

I used to use a big ole pedal board like the boss fc50, but that was
bulky. so i got a miditron and some parts from radio shack and made a
much smaller foot controller situation. just two switches and
(sometimes)an expression pedal.

of course i already use a 4×4 midi interface for my other controllers…

miditron and pedalboard cost me about the same. but miditron can do
things the pedal board cannot.


June 28, 2006 | 3:43 pm

Really cheap and dirty:

If you’ve got a multi-channel audio i/o, just send an audio signal (cycle~) from MSP to a volume control pedal and send the output back into the i/o and read the level with peakamp~.

I use a signal with frequency 1/8th the sample rate, which gives peakamp~ at least one complete cycle to read. I get better than 10 bits equivalent resolution and better than MIDI sample rate and lag.

I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control – this gives a linear response so I don’t need to flatten out the log response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.


June 28, 2006 | 6:03 pm

>I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control – this
>gives a linear response so I don’t need to flatten out the log
>response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.

??????

could you tell more??
wired as a volume control? you mean the hardware?? or some trick in max???

thanks

kasper


Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


June 28, 2006 | 6:28 pm

I do this same thing (sine wave with peakamp) with a roland EV-5. To
wire it up, I use a little hosa adaptor that turns the trs plug on the
ev-5 into two quarter-inch plugs and run one into an input, and one
into an ouptut. Very light and portable. I have five ev-5s wired into
my audio interface this way to control max/msp live. Works awesome.

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaiser.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com


June 28, 2006 | 7:03 pm

ok, i got it

but you mean than the "response" of an expression pedal is different
from a volume pedal???

I very often use VOLUME pedals (boss VL6O) as expressions (with an
"insert" jack)

thanks

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


June 28, 2006 | 7:32 pm

Yes, I tried the same thing with a guitar volume pedal, I believe it
was an Ernie Ball or a Dunlop…..and the response was not linear at
all, volume would change slow at the heel and fast at the toe. The EV5
is very linear.

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com


June 28, 2006 | 7:39 pm

Quote: rcimitile wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 20:26
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> What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?
>
> Thanks
—————————————————-

Griffin Powermate

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/

mzed


June 28, 2006 | 7:42 pm

Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for a
balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put at
the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find
anything on the net to help.

pa

ps No, I don’t want to put a control pedal in the virtual world… I
want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!


June 28, 2006 | 8:26 pm

If they dont sell such and object you could make a hack:
2 separate mono pedals
or
take apart a mono pedal. put matched pots in the place of the one pot.
drill some more holes and add yer plugs…


June 29, 2006 | 12:23 am

Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39

> Griffin Powermate

he said pedal….

but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn’t work with [hi], apparently because it doesn’t send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?


June 29, 2006 | 2:11 am

Somebody in one of the workshops had one of these. We figured out the
best way was to put it into keymap mode in the System Preferences and
use the [key] object. This allows you to use it like a rotary encoder.
You may need to fiddle with the repeat rate settings for your uses.

Andrew B.


June 29, 2006 | 4:48 am

Nope – This person wants a BALANCED stereo volume pedal. They don’t exist. A passive one would be really, really hard to build.

Proove me wrong, someone. I’ve been looking since 1988! I have had offers from engineers at various pedal making companies to make me a custom one, but it’s always too expensive.

V



f.e
June 29, 2006 | 7:19 am

i don’t myself.

what are you two doing with your pedals exactly ? It seems a cool idea
but could you add more details ?

f.e


June 29, 2006 | 8:03 am

In the following patch I send a sine wave out my audio interface to the
EV5 pedals, then back into the audio interface (using that little hosa
adaptor)….using peakamp~ to measure the changes in amplitude from the
pedal…..I then map that info to midi numbers and route it to control
vst parameters, my loopers and other patch stuff…..gets rid of the
midi interface for the pedals….(thank you andrew pask for this!)

#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 513 512 123 196617 zmap 0.0002 0.41 0 127;
#P newex 513 488 69 196617 peakamp~ 25;
#P newex 157 150 67 196617 cycle~ 1000;
#P newex 402 461 123 196617 zmap 0.0002 0.41 0 127;
#P newex 402 437 69 196617 peakamp~ 25;
#P newex 317 403 123 196617 zmap 0.0002 0.41 0 127;
#P newex 317 379 69 196617 peakamp~ 25;
#P newex 227 350 123 196617 zmap 0.0002 0.41 0 127;
#P newex 227 326 69 196617 peakamp~ 25;
#P newex 157 291 123 196617 zmap 0.0002 0.41 0 127;
#P newex 157 267 69 196617 peakamp~ 25;
#P newex 157 217 76 196617 adc~ 4 5 6 7 8;
#P newex 157 184 76 196617 dac~ 4 5 6 7 8;
#P connect 10 0 0 0;
#P connect 10 0 0 1;
#P connect 10 0 0 2;
#P connect 10 0 0 3;
#P connect 10 0 0 4;
#P connect 1 0 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P connect 1 1 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 5 0;
#P connect 1 2 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 7 0;
#P connect 1 3 8 0;
#P connect 8 0 9 0;
#P connect 1 4 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 12 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 13;

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com

On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:19 AM, f.e wrote:


June 29, 2006 | 8:40 am

>Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for
>a balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put
>at the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find
>anything on the net to help.
>
>pa
>
>ps No, I don’t want to put a control pedal in the virtual world… I
>want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!

the only way i imagine would be to "balance" the signal after the
pedal (with DI boxes)

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


June 30, 2006 | 1:33 pm

that is an awesome patch…..


June 30, 2006 | 5:17 pm

Thanks!

Anything to lessen the amount of gear to carry always makes me
happy…..

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com


June 30, 2006 | 6:04 pm

Quote: Osborne Frit wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 17:23
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> Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39
>
> > Griffin Powermate
>
> he said pedal….
>

It becomes a pedal as soon as a put it under my foot.

> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn’t work with [hi], apparently because it doesn’t send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?
>

I’ve been using these drivers:

http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/

mzed


June 30, 2006 | 7:09 pm

ooh. i’d been pointed in the directions of those kernel extensions before. i’d tried it and didn’t seem to have any luck. not being familiar with the terminal/unix stuff i undoubtedly did something wrong, but i haven’t wanted to attempt anything like it again for fear of deleting something important, and those site instructions seemed a bit intimidating for me.
how simple is it really? any help/reassurance would possibly make me want to have another go

robin


September 17, 2006 | 7:59 pm

>
> > > Griffin Powermate
>
>
>
>> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate
>>doesn’t work with [hi], apparently because it doesn’t send the
>>standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use
>>yours in max somehow?
>>
>
>
>I’ve been using these drivers:
>http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/
>

just downloaded them – i have really NO idea how to install those
drivers….. (i am not a "next" kind of guy….) could you tell me
where/how install this??

manythanks

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


September 17, 2006 | 9:53 pm

On 17-sept.-06, at 21:59, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> I’ve been using these drivers:
>> http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/
>>
>
>
> just downloaded them – i have really NO idea how to install those
> drivers….. (i am not a "next" kind of guy….) could you tell me
> where/how install this??

.kext go to /System/Library/Extensions
Beware: the only time I had a Kernel Panic error on my laptop these
past 3 years was when trying weird .kext extensions.

p


September 18, 2006 | 7:22 pm

hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I have a couple of issues tho-
1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that ISN’T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if there might be a way to use max to read this ‘non audio language’?
2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU plug-in, I’m thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. I’m told that max doesn’t use VST / AU plug ins with the best efficiency. Is this true? It’s important that the patch is very efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.
Can anyone shed any gems of wisdom?
thanks
tom


September 18, 2006 | 7:41 pm

>hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with
>NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead
>solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I
>have a couple of issues tho-
>1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the
>rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that
>ISN’T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if
>there might be a way to use max to read this ‘non audio language’?
>2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU
>plug-in, I’m thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch.
>I’m told that max doesn’t use VST / AU plug ins with the best
>efficiency. Is this true? It’s important that the patch is very
>efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.

guitar Rig (1 & 2) works very well as a plug-in in maxmsp

in my opinion the NI hardware (rig kontrol in this case) is a
totatlly useless, ill-conceived piece of s***

that’s only my opinion, of course

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com


February 6, 2009 | 3:46 pm

Sorry to bump this old thread, but after going to a Max/MSP symposium last weekend I got the itch to move my guitar (and eventually more) setup onto the laptop.

Since this thread Guitar Rig 3 (and Rig Kontrol 3) has come out.

I did a search but didn’t see any information.

I have a decent soundcard already (Black Lion Modded MOTU Traveller) but the ‘all-in-one’ nature of the Rig Kontrol is attractive, not to mention that it’s bus powered. So a laptop and that, would be presumably all I would need.

The problem is I don’t really like Guitar Rig. I would probably use it a bit here and there, but I would mainly use Max/plugins/etc… but I would like to be able to control them from Rig Kontrol.

Is this sort of thing possible?
Either via running plugins/GR in max, or using max/hi to route the data to the relevant plugins elsewhere (mainstage?).


February 8, 2009 | 2:57 pm


February 8, 2009 | 5:37 pm

That looks good!

They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for it.

Thanks PA.


February 8, 2009 | 6:57 pm

>That looks good!
>
>They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a
>couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for
>it.

thay actually also did for me a small USB (bus powered) pedal board –
12 switches, and 4 inputs for CC (pedals)

the switches send a different message when you press them and release
them – which permits to build (in max) thigs based on how long you
press a pedal………..

and they are very nice people too!

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart


February 9, 2009 | 12:32 am

Hmm.

How much did that cost if you don’t mind me asking, and do you have any pictures of it?

I was going to go a DIY or found approach for building a (6-7 buttons) but if they put something together thats sharp looking and sturdy, I may just go that way completely.

I’m also considering building a usb based I/O sound card into the same thing, so it would be an open/faux ‘rig kontrol’ type thing.


February 9, 2009 | 12:55 am

hopefully still applicable here and always one of the best options:

http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/16/1252/3782


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