dimitris108

Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia's Brass e.t.c. can do?

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I'd start by looking into the PeRColate series objects, found here:

- some of them phys.mod., some not, but all of them really fun to use.

Also, no physical modelling setup would be complete without some PMPD 

> Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia's Brass e.t.c. can do?

I'd start by looking into the PeRColate series objects, found here:
http://www.music.columbia.edu/PeRColate/
- some of them phys.mod., some not, but all of them really fun to use.

Also, no physical modelling setup would be complete without some PMPD 
action:
http://drpichon.free.fr/pmpd/

Dimitris Lambrianos skrev:
> Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia's Brass e.t.c. can do?
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I can not reccomend anything more then RMI in the IRCAM library by Richard Dudas. You have to pay for a forum membership to get it, but I promise you its well worth the price if your a student. They have such a clean sound, with plate, membrane, string and tube simulations, well built interfaces, and lots of modeling parameters. the MEKS also comes with IRCAM and has a ton of options as well. The IRCAM also has a really awesome granular and formant modeling system called Fog~ and on top of that all they have the cleanest granular external Ive ever heard the "sogs~"

I can not reccomend anything more then RMI in the IRCAM library by Richard Dudas.  You have to pay for a forum membership to get it, but I promise you its well worth the price if your a student.  They have such a clean sound, with plate, membrane, string and tube simulations, well built interfaces, and lots of modeling parameters.  the MEKS also comes with IRCAM and has a ton of options as well.  The IRCAM also has a really awesome granular and formant modeling system called Fog~ and on top of that all they have the cleanest granular external Ive ever heard the "sogs~"


I would definitely recommend you look into the Percolate collection. You may also want to look into rtcmix~. rtcmix 

is a is a complete sound synthesis and signal processing language.

"More than 80 existing RTcmix synthesis and signal-processing instruments are currently accessible in the [rtcmix~] object, including a set of FFT/PVOC-based spectral manipulation tools, real-time Linear Prediction Coding (LPC) analysis/resynthesis, and most of the Synthesis ToolKit (STK) physical models created by Perry Cook and Gary Scavone."

I would definitely recommend you look into the Percolate collection. You may also want to look into rtcmix~. rtcmix 
is a is a complete sound synthesis and signal processing language. 

check it out...
http://rtcmix.org/rtcmix~

These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example. Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.

These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example.  Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.


I believe these were made for controlling sysnthesis and other kinds

of audio parameters. Basically, they're an alternative to the usual

http://drpichon.free.fr/ch/IMG/pdf/2004_pmpd_smc.pdf

On 12/31/06, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote:

> These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example. Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.

> -=ili!ili=- www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=-

I believe these were made for controlling sysnthesis and other kinds
of audio parameters.  Basically, they're an alternative to the usual
LFO or noise functions.  See this paper:
http://drpichon.free.fr/ch/IMG/pdf/2004_pmpd_smc.pdf

On 12/31/06, Nicholas C. Raftis III  wrote:
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> These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example.  Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.
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This paper looks awesome, see thats what Im saying I wish they had stuff likke this in the help files.. maybe they do in the PD version.. but the max help files just show what messages it takes.. and the examples ali made are a bit confusing.

I just checked out RTCmix~ and I cant believe I never used this before, this is awesome, great sound quality and pretty easy to work with for a scripting language.

Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali 

and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that 

people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali 
and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that 
people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.


An external dedicated for modal synthesis. You have a script to type 

in the object and you can have a live access to your defined params 

Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating 

and controlling these scripts directly from max.

modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry...

You also have modalys~, Modalys in Max.
An external dedicated for modal synthesis. You have a script to type  
in the object and you can have a live access to your defined params  
in Max.
Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating  
and controlling these scripts directly from max.
modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry...

> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali

> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that

> people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

"people" as "proprietary software users" ? Well, maybe you guys should

try the pmpd example with Pd ! Then, you could send the patches

translated in Max/MSP to Cyrille. I am sure they would include it in

the Max/MSP distribution. This is free software. It belongs to the

And yes, we can hear sounds in the Pd patches.

On 1/2/07, Anthony Palomba  wrote:
> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali
> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that
> people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

"people" as "proprietary software users" ? Well, maybe you guys should
download Pd-extended from http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html and
try the pmpd example with Pd ! Then, you could send the patches
translated in Max/MSP to Cyrille. I am sure they would include it in
the Max/MSP distribution. This is free software. It belongs to the
people.

-- 
Alexandre Quessy
http://alexandre.quessy.net


> Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating 

> and controlling these scripts directly from max.

> modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry...

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> Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating  
> and controlling these scripts directly from max.
> modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry...
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> O.
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where are those abstractions ?
not in the ircam cd...
not either on the website...

> where are thoses abstractions ?< nothing? I'll ask why and I'll keep you informed. You should look 

http://forumnet.ircam.fr/uploads/media/novembre-decembre_05.pdf

> where are thoses abstractions ?< nothing? I'll ask why and I'll keep you informed. You should look  
for Mlys.

http://forumnet.ircam.fr/uploads/media/novembre-decembre_05.pdf


> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali 

> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that 

The examples of pmpd are heavily using GEM. There is version of GEM for 

Max, but I don't know anybody who is as familiar with this as Cyrille. 

Still not really a problem. As noted in the readme you should look at 

the examples in Pd. The Pd installers of Hans-Christoph Steiner are 

really plug and play, they contain all you need...

The best way to learn, might be to port some of the examples to Max...

Maybe its even worth to port them to a Jitter version? Cyrille claims 

that Gem is faster than Jitter, but he doesn't know Jitter...

I'd love to see a comparison, could be a worthwhile students project...

Anthony Palomba wrote:
> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali 
> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that 
> people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

The examples of pmpd are heavily using GEM. There is  version of GEM for 
Max, but I don't know anybody who is as familiar with this as Cyrille. 
But Cyrille is a Pd only guy...

Still not really a problem. As noted in the readme you should look at 
the examples in Pd. The Pd installers of Hans-Christoph Steiner are 
really plug and play, they contain all you need...

The best way to learn, might be to port some of the examples to Max...
Maybe its even worth to port them to a Jitter version? Cyrille claims 
that Gem is faster than Jitter, but he doesn't know Jitter...

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The Mlys lib will be available ~ mid January. I thought it was 

already available but you'll have to wait a bit.

The Mlys lib will be available ~ mid January. I thought it was  
already available but you'll have to wait a bit.

Ali Momeni has made a public basic example with Pmpd and Jitter.

http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/%7eali/share/max/pmpd/pmpd-for-max.sit

There is also a generic external for Pd only which avoids you 

connecting billions of masses together. This is really fast and 

impressive. A Max version would be really interesting.

Gem and Jitter are not the same thing at all ; they are not 

comparable. Although my approach is closer to the Jitter's one, it'd 

be great to have Gem4Max 100% securely working. It is so close, for 

Ali Momeni has made a public basic example with Pmpd and Jitter.
http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/%7eali/share/max/pmpd/pmpd-for-max.sit

There is also a generic external for Pd only which avoids you  
connecting billions of masses together. This is really fast and  
impressive. A Max version would be really interesting.

Gem and Jitter are not the same thing at all ; they are not  
comparable. Although my approach is closer to the Jitter's one, it'd  
be great to have Gem4Max 100% securely working. It is so close, for  
many years...
http://gem4mac.sourceforge.net
(set Overdrive OFF for stability !!! )


thanks a lot, those examples are very helpful.

are there any plans to port the objects to UB ?

As has been menioned, PeRColate or pmpd are options,

but you can also just use vst! to host the things you

As has been menioned, PeRColate or pmpd are options,
but you can also just use vst! to host the things you
want to imitate.


I'm also trying to blend sounds from a string instrument in MaxMSP 7 coupling sounds from Chromaphone 2 or String Studio (from Applied Acoustics Systems A|A|S). I wonder which way to explore, with the big plug-in window or the [vst~] or the Native Editor opened. I'm not yet familiar with the new Max MSP 7 interface, in fact i worked a lot with 4.6 and i'm just getting back to it.

Physical modeling objects.