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Physical modeling objects.

December 30, 2006 | 9:48 pm

Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia’s Brass e.t.c. can do?



December 30, 2006 | 10:49 pm

I’d start by looking into the PeRColate series objects, found here:
http://www.music.columbia.edu/PeRColate/
- some of them phys.mod., some not, but all of them really fun to use.

Also, no physical modelling setup would be complete without some PMPD
action:

http://drpichon.free.fr/pmpd/

Andreas.

Dimitris Lambrianos skrev:
> Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia’s Brass e.t.c. can do?
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December 30, 2006 | 11:05 pm

http://drpichon.free.fr/pmpd/

Nice address, thanks!
Philippe


December 31, 2006 | 12:04 am


December 31, 2006 | 12:15 am


December 31, 2006 | 1:47 am

I can not reccomend anything more then RMI in the IRCAM library by Richard Dudas. You have to pay for a forum membership to get it, but I promise you its well worth the price if your a student. They have such a clean sound, with plate, membrane, string and tube simulations, well built interfaces, and lots of modeling parameters. the MEKS also comes with IRCAM and has a ton of options as well. The IRCAM also has a really awesome granular and formant modeling system called Fog~ and on top of that all they have the cleanest granular external Ive ever heard the "sogs~"


December 31, 2006 | 8:01 pm

I would definitely recommend you look into the Percolate collection. You may also want to look into rtcmix~. rtcmix
is a is a complete sound synthesis and signal processing language.

"More than 80 existing RTcmix synthesis and signal-processing instruments are currently accessible in the [rtcmix~] object, including a set of FFT/PVOC-based spectral manipulation tools, real-time Linear Prediction Coding (LPC) analysis/resynthesis, and most of the Synthesis ToolKit (STK) physical models created by Perry Cook and Gary Scavone."

check it out…

http://rtcmix.org/rtcmix~

Anthony


December 31, 2006 | 9:19 pm

These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example. Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.


December 31, 2006 | 9:48 pm

I believe these were made for controlling sysnthesis and other kinds
of audio parameters. Basically, they’re an alternative to the usual
LFO or noise functions. See this paper:

http://drpichon.free.fr/ch/IMG/pdf/2004_pmpd_smc.pdf

wes

On 12/31/06, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote:
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> These PMPD are really cool, I wish the help files had more info.. or even 1 sound example. Seems like they are more dedicated to 3d.
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> -=ili!ili=- http://www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=-
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December 31, 2006 | 10:38 pm

This paper looks awesome, see thats what Im saying I wish they had stuff likke this in the help files.. maybe they do in the PD version.. but the max help files just show what messages it takes.. and the examples ali made are a bit confusing.

I just checked out RTCmix~ and I cant believe I never used this before, this is awesome, great sound quality and pretty easy to work with for a scripting language.


January 2, 2007 | 5:29 pm

Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali
and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that
people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.


January 3, 2007 | 6:07 pm

You also have modalys~, Modalys in Max.
An external dedicated for modal synthesis. You have a script to type
in the object and you can have a live access to your defined params
in Max.
Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating
and controlling these scripts directly from max.
modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry…

O.


January 3, 2007 | 6:33 pm

Hi,

On 1/2/07, Anthony Palomba wrote:
> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali
> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that
> people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

"people" as "proprietary software users" ? Well, maybe you guys should
download Pd-extended from http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html and
try the pmpd example with Pd ! Then, you could send the patches
translated in Max/MSP to Cyrille. I am sure they would include it in
the Max/MSP distribution. This is free software. It belongs to the
people.

And yes, we can hear sounds in the Pd patches.

Cheers,


Alexandre Quessy

http://alexandre.quessy.net



FP
January 3, 2007 | 7:18 pm

> Manuel Poletti made abstractions and usable interfaces for creating
> and controlling these scripts directly from max.
> modalys~ is part of the Ircam forum. I feel sorry…
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> O.
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where are those abstractions ?
not in the ircam cd…
not either on the website…

fp./


January 3, 2007 | 9:34 pm

> where are thoses abstractions ?
< nothing? I'll ask why and I'll keep you informed. You should look
for Mlys.

http://forumnet.ircam.fr/uploads/media/novembre-decembre_05.pdf


January 4, 2007 | 9:10 am

Anthony Palomba wrote:
> Yes, the the examples for max pmpd are very spartan. I wish Ali
> and Cyrille would convert the rest of the pd examples so that
> people would realize all the things you can do with pmpd.

The examples of pmpd are heavily using GEM. There is version of GEM for
Max, but I don’t know anybody who is as familiar with this as Cyrille.
But Cyrille is a Pd only guy…

Still not really a problem. As noted in the readme you should look at
the examples in Pd. The Pd installers of Hans-Christoph Steiner are
really plug and play, they contain all you need…

The best way to learn, might be to port some of the examples to Max…
Maybe its even worth to port them to a Jitter version? Cyrille claims
that Gem is faster than Jitter, but he doesn’t know Jitter…

I’d love to see a comparison, could be a worthwhile students project…

Stefan


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FP
January 4, 2007 | 9:15 am


January 4, 2007 | 9:48 am

Hi there!

The Mlys lib will be available ~ mid January. I thought it was
already available but you’ll have to wait a bit.

O./


January 4, 2007 | 10:00 am

Ali Momeni has made a public basic example with Pmpd and Jitter.

http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/%7eali/share/max/pmpd/pmpd-for-max.sit

There is also a generic external for Pd only which avoids you
connecting billions of masses together. This is really fast and
impressive. A Max version would be really interesting.

Gem and Jitter are not the same thing at all ; they are not
comparable. Although my approach is closer to the Jitter’s one, it’d
be great to have Gem4Max 100% securely working. It is so close, for
many years…
http://gem4mac.sourceforge.net
(set Overdrive OFF for stability !!! )


January 4, 2007 | 12:36 pm


January 4, 2007 | 12:54 pm


January 4, 2007 | 1:22 pm

thanks a lot, those examples are very helpful.

are there any plans to port the objects to UB ?

pe lang


January 4, 2007 | 1:45 pm


January 4, 2007 | 4:58 pm


January 4, 2007 | 5:33 pm

> Is there any physical modeling objects that they can do something like Sculpture, Tassman, String studio, VL Yamaha, Moss Korg, Arturia’s Brass e.t.c. can do?

As has been menioned, PeRColate or pmpd are options,
but you can also just use vst! to host the things you
want to imitate.


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