Here is the latest news regarding the Pluggo product line.

http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/5/14/101259/594

Cheers

Andrew

First radiaL, then Pluggo and Mode…???
whats next, my left hand?

If we can have discount for Live Max, it’s good..

All the best !

i think what you originally wanted to ask is, will
your pluggo plug-ins still work in LAP 9.0.

-110 (refocussing)

Shame on you.

You should have made something like Reaktor that you can built a patch into the plugin in any platform.

I have Ableton Live this program is not for serious composer it does not have score nothing you just play loops yeah very serious.

You should have collaborated with Logic, Cubase, DP, they are far more serious programs than Ableton Live.

Shame on you again.

Cycling 74 made the good choice with Ableton !

best,

Let us choose the DAW that we want to use they dont know they are programers they are not musicians or composers this is the main problem.

Anyway I am going to get KYMA soon it is far more musical and it sounds better than max/msp and it is much easer and let the people synchronize loops because this is music for them.

i think what you originally wanted to ask is, will
your pluggo plug-ins still work in LAP 9.0.

Not at all.

What I ask is: does Live support surround (8 channels) busses and tracks as Logic does? Does it make sense tu use Live for 8-channels surround composition?

Of course you could use some aux sends to create an 8 channel surround out, but it is not that easy to use

A friend of mine wrote a pluggo for LIve just to manage aux sends via a classic surround panner.

Maybe you could modify your plugin to do so

olivier

I’ve used live extensively and I have to say that it is certainly not a fully featured host. Both it’s audio and midi editing are lightyears behind programs like Cubase and Logic. I mean they only added audio crossfades in Live 8! This pluggo thing is very sad news as now it is clear that Max 5 can never be integrated with a fully featured sequencer. Maybe I have to turn my attention back to Reaktor…

regards,

But Cubase that has such a ton of features and useful details that it’s impossible to start to list them. Let’s take for example midi quantization. In addition to all the normal quantization things you’d expect, including iterative quantization and taking the groove from an audio file, you can also set a magnetic area where only notes that are n ticks close to the grid will be affected, Non quantize area where notes closer than n ticks to the grid will not be affected, random quantization of n ticks and so forth.

Many people only use a small part of the features of these big sequencers, but for complex electroacoustic compositions I need a big number of them. I’ll have to give Live 8 a try, but no doubt I’ll quickly hit a wall with a number of missing features.

As big problem as missing features is how Live’s UI directs you to a pattern-based way of thinking. Even if you never use the loop section, there are so many little things about the overall UI that just shouts PATTERN-BASED. For example the tiny window at the bottom you are supposed to do your midi editing is very clumsy if you need to edit a segment longer than, say 32 bars…

Maybe I don’t know/understand something of cubase/logic, but at this point, I think many people don’t know ableton live, but talk about…

Have you try the new “warp” system of live ?

Regards,

i think what you originally wanted to ask is, will
your pluggo plug-ins still work in LAP 9.0.

Not at all.

What I ask is: does Live support surround (8 channels) busses and tracks as Logic does? Does it make sense tu use Live for 8-channels surround composition?

no, i wouldnt use live. not even when it could clean
up my kitchen in multichannel. but _most host programs
do not support multichannel plug-ins, thats not only a
pluggo thing.

what i was asking you is, would it be ok for you
when pluggo at least would work with new programs
(such as the next version of cubase/logic/protools?
so that we can use our existing plug-ins and some
new ones at least for the next few years?

(instead of pulling the runtimes completly, that is.
a _small update might be the only thing we can exspect
for something which is officially discontinued, if anything.)

The question isn’t if one tool is better than the other. Creative people always find workarounds. The question is what tool are you familiar with already. I didn’t use sequencers/DAWs beside ProTools for a long time, just lost interest. If you are into Max and want to start learning a timeline tool, it is obvious, that Live would be a good choice.
But if you know a sequencer already inside out, you won’t change, never, unless the company dies (like it happened to my old favorite: Opcode’s Vision, once from the same company as Max…)

All who are into their tool (if its different than Live) now are cut off. At least cut off from the new version of Max, as Max 4.6 still runs fine and can create Plug-ins. As David said before Max 5 came out: if your work is about creating plug-ins don’t upgrade. Unfortunately for me its both, and the plug-in creating part of my workflow is not the most important, but still a part.
And I belong to the few who even can’t use old pluggos anymore, as my main host was Max itself. I’d be happy, if there would be a way to run old pluggos within Max 5. But that does not seem to be the case, but who knows…

Stefan

Yes, I’m completly agree with this.
I went to Live because when Apple bought Logic, I stayed on pc with logic 5.5 a few years and when the bug was too present for new hardware configuration, I tried to learn another DAW… And I took live. Finally, I came on Mac.. Sometime I use logic but now, I prefer Live..
I say it for people who say “Live is just for dj..” (supposed for no musicien / no sound makers) and of course, it’s completly wrong ! They just don’t know Live..
With this decision, C74 requires users to go on live.. It’s bad for all people who have pluggo/hipno and don’t want to change their DAW, of course, but it doesn’t make Live a bad soft.

Best

I can’t afford to dish out the LARGE cost for Ableton Live plus Max Live. I downloaded the Ableton demo, but what good is a demo that only works for 14 days? I won’t have time to check it out in such a brief period.

All I can hope is that Cycling74 decides to continue standalone Max or that it has development taken over by SOMEBODY. Maybe Ableton is ok, but I am not going to pay a thousand bucks to find out.

olivier

olivier

post something about “the internet will be discontinued”
in here and you will see people discussing about it.

I am aware of the fact that Max is not gone yet, but without the ability to make plugins via pluggo, it is much less useful than it was. And as my bold emphasis shows, one can clearly see that Max for Live is going to be the main focus.

Oh yes, I checked out Ableton more thoroughly. Bleah. None of the lessons load properly for me, and the piano roll is awful. Since I compose primarily on piano roll that is an instant showstopper.

I understand that people are excited about Max for Live, that it is hard work to keep Pluggo compatible with plug-in formats, but it is a good product, it has worked in the past, and it is such a beautiful extension of MaxMSP and the work we do in there.

Well, like it has been said, Reaktor seems to be pulling it off.

Just bring Pluggo back.