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		<title>Cycling 74  &#187;  Topic: pointer at the begening of coll</title>
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					<title><![CDATA[pointer at the begening of coll]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 07:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>P_Petrowiek</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pointer at the begening of coll]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Joost Rekveld</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi,</p>
<p>i think i use &#8216;end, next&#8217; to do the same thing..</p>
<p>a thing i personally don&#8217;t like about coll is that it simply returns <br />
nothing if a symbol key is not present.<br />
For these kinds of issues there are workarounds, however inelegant they <br />
may sometimes seem, and since coll is an ancient and  venerable object <br />
(has it been around since the beginning ??) i think it is very unlikely <br />
that there will be any major changes to it&#8230;</p>
<p>you can always make your own wrapper-abstraction around coll and make <br />
it as elegant as you wish..</p>
<p>ciao,</p>
<p>Joost.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pointer at the begening of coll]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 11:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>ph_m</dc:creator>

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						<p>message [start, bang] to coll object.</p>
<p>Please note:<br />
this message appears to be not documented any more on .pdf <br />
documentation but it always remains the possibility to watch (and <br />
check) messages to objects by alt-ctrl-clic on the object itself in <br />
edit mode.<br />
HTH, sincerely</p>
<p>-PhM</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: pointer at the begening of coll]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 12:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>P_Petrowiek</dc:creator>

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						<p>i knew about that short cut but i didn&#8217;t think of checking for a start<br />
message with coll&#8230; i&#8217;ll have a look at that, <br />
thanks</p>
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