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Poly~ mutemap bug ?


f.e
November 29, 2006 | 3:52 pm

Is there a bug in the poly~ object (Win 457) with the ‘mutemap’ or the
‘mute’ messages ? I sent one millions ‘mute 0 1′ (wich means ‘mute all’
cf. helpfile and experience), and ‘mutemap’ always print the same wrong
things… Test it with the help file itself : tweak the toggle to
mute/unmute all, ‘mutemap’ will always say 0 0 0 on my machine…

f.e

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f.e
November 29, 2006 | 3:55 pm

It seems that the ‘mute 0 $1′ doesn’t do anything. Muting/unmuting
specific voices is shown right by ‘mutemap’…

f.e wrote:
> Is there a bug in the poly~ object (Win 457) with the ‘mutemap’ or the
> ‘mute’ messages ? I sent one millions ‘mute 0 1′ (wich means ‘mute
> all’ cf. helpfile and experience), and ‘mutemap’ always print the same
> wrong things… Test it with the help file itself : tweak the toggle
> to mute/unmute all, ‘mutemap’ will always say 0 0 0 on my machine…
>
> f.e


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November 30, 2006 | 7:27 am

f.e wrote:
> It seems that the ‘mute 0 $1′ doesn’t do anything. Muting/unmuting
> specific voices is shown right by ‘mutemap’…

Not a bug, a very welcome feature:

Obviously the mute 0 $1 does something, because this is the first button
I have to hit if I cal up the poly~ help file. Without I would have
killed myself ;-)

But if you hit it again it will remember the old mute setting.

Just imagine you have a 128 voice synth, and one voice is sounding, you
hit mute 0 1, and then mute 0 0. I am sure that you’d be very glad that
this will NOT SWITCH ON ALL 128 VOICES ouch… (if this would happen
live is like creating a big feedback fully blown up in a concert…)

The mute map remebers the individual settings, the global mute is
independant of that, like an additional command…

Stefan


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f.e
November 30, 2006 | 8:05 am

Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> The mute map remembers the individual settings, the global mute is
> independant of that, like an additional command…
It was not obvious…

Thanks Stefan.

cheers

f.e
>
> Stefan
>


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f.e
December 6, 2006 | 8:12 am

and it’s useless : when all poly~s are muted with a ‘mute 0 1′ message,
it’s impossible to individually unmute the voices with ‘mute n 0′ unless
you unmute them all with ‘mute 0 0′. That’s absolutely pointless. To
have a real control, we have to do a for loop (uzi n -> mute n 1). Is it
something c74 would consider to change or everybody is happy with that ?

cheers

f.e

f.e wrote:
>
>
> Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>> The mute map remembers the individual settings, the global mute is
>> independant of that, like an additional command…
> It was not obvious…
>
> Thanks Stefan.
>
> cheers
>
> f.e
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>


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December 6, 2006 | 1:26 pm


December 9, 2006 | 11:07 pm

f.e wrote:
> and it’s useless : when all poly~s are muted with a ‘mute 0 1′ message,
> it’s impossible to individually unmute the voices with ‘mute n 0′ unless
> you unmute them all with ‘mute 0 0′. That’s absolutely pointless. To
> have a real control, we have to do a for loop (uzi n -> mute n 1). Is it
> something c74 would consider to change or everybody is happy with that ?

I am very, very happy with it, because as explained before this is VERY
useful, as it remebers the old states. Its easy with uzi to get the
behaviour you think is usefull, but it would be almost impossible to get
the existing behaviour which I love, if it would be the other way around…

You can even switch on of mute states for voices as its globally muted.
THIS IS WONDERFUL !!!

Another approach for your desire is to create a mute input, connect it
to a mute $1 message and send target 0, 1 to that input…
Nothing cycling needs to change…

Stefan


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