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					<title><![CDATA[poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Tyler Nitsch</dc:creator>

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						<p>I just noticed that if I have a poly patch within a parent patch that downsamples by two, it&#8217;s output is simply the downsampled values repeated. </p>
<p>Ie the sequence 1 2 3 4 5 becomes 1 1 3 3 5 5.  </p>
<p>Is there a way to specify how the output of poly is upsampled to produce its output in the parent patch say to get something like 1 0 3 0 5 0 (ie zero padding). Or possible interpolating&#8230; </p>
<p>I seem to remember talking with somebody about this a while back but I can&#8217;t seem to find any info in the forum.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>_j</dc:creator>

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						<p>weird, i think poly~ has its own signal vector? check the documentation.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Tyler Nitsch</dc:creator>

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						<p>Ok I see what your saying. When you downsample by 2 within poly the signal vector size becomes half of that of the parent patch.  I made a workaround by using a count~ to multiply the output of the poly~ so that every second sample is set to zero.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Roman Thilenius</dc:creator>

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						<p>Quote: Tyler Nitsch wrote on Sun, 08 April 2007 21:31<br />
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> Ok I see what your saying. When you downsample by 2 within poly the signal vector size becomes half of that of the parent patch.  I made a workaround by using a count~ to multiply the output of the poly~ so that every second sample is set to zero.  <br />
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you would have to interpolate it yourself &#8211; outside the poly<br />
patcher. <br />
it was about 2 years ago here in the list where someone<br />
gave an example, but i cant find it anymore. it was something<br />
using count~ so that you know where you are &#8230;</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Stefan Tiedje</dc:creator>

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						<p>Tyler Nitsch schrieb:<br />
> Ie the sequence 1 2 3 4 5 becomes 1 1 3 3 5 5.</p>
<p>which is what you would have to expect, you throw away information&#8230;</p>
<p>> Is there a way to specify how the output of poly is upsampled to<br />
> porduce its output in the parent patch say to get something like 1 0<br />
> 3 0 5 0 (ie zero padding). Or possible interpolating&#8230;</p>
<p>zero padding would screw your signal completely, why would you want that?&#8230;<br />
Interpolating is just a low pass filter of half the samplerate (outside <br />
of the poly~)&#8230;</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: poly~ upsampling methods]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Tyler Nitsch</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hey Stefan,</p>
<p>In a lot of DSP literature they all deal with upsampling thru zero insertion.  I was trying to develope a multirate system that was based off of the perfect reconstruction filters.  I used haar filters.  The idea is to split a signals spectrum in half with the analysis filters&#8230; downsample each half and then upsample and filter using the resynthesis filters.  Basically a one level realtime wavelet system. When you repeat sample values in the system I created it increases the overall power of the resultant signal which rendered the resythesis part of the patch inaccurate&#8230; after doing the zero insertion it worked.  Unfortuneatly I cant&#8217; get more than one stage to work properly&#8230;.</p>
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