poly voices + [select]

Mar 1, 2013 at 8:44pm

poly voices + [select]

Hi all,

I’ve gone over all 3 tutorials of poly(~) 19, 20, 21. I understand most of whats going on, but in my case its somewhat different situation (single drum-shots on specific keys) and im really struggling(confused). At the moment im triggering specific groups of samples with specific midi keys using [select] (not funbuff/coll).
I want to have an (on/off) option for each group so that when 1 note/sample is played it gets cut off as soon as the 2nd one is triggered (from another group). I know that using [poly 1 1] should do this, but in my case its not happeneing and i dont really understand why!! Its behaving really strage.
I went and took a day off, — come back, now it seems like ive forgotten everything!!!! aaah
Could somebody be so kind and help with this?

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#66805
Mar 2, 2013 at 2:29pm

Someone?
Im not looking for a ‘hand-holding’. I want to know what im doing wrong. I know [poly 1 1] should cut the next note off but in my case it doesn’t. Why?! (its not a synth-type situation)

#240485
Mar 2, 2013 at 3:16pm

At first view I guess that [stripnote] is the culprit. Can you explain why it’s there?

#240486
Mar 2, 2013 at 3:51pm

Thanks for responding. Regardless whether [stripnote] is there or not, the samples still wont cut-off(and still sounds twice) / acts strange.
I put the [stripnote] in so it plays the sample all throughout. (sends an off message)

#240487
Mar 2, 2013 at 8:54pm

So the problem may be that you are sending the velocity to both groups regardless of pitch. I think you’d need to send

pairs belonging together to each group. This could be done for example with pack/unpack and gate.

#240488
Mar 3, 2013 at 1:42pm

I should of mentioned that i did perviously try pack/unpack. It doesn’t seem to make any difference. Have i wired it incorrectly??
And as far as [gate] goes, i imagine you would use it as an on/off switch? (im having trouble seeing where to put it)

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#240489
Mar 3, 2013 at 5:40pm

Using [gate] you can control the data flow of

pairs depending on pitch.

#240490
Mar 3, 2013 at 5:57pm

Could you please show an example?
Is my patch going in the right direction?

#240491
Mar 3, 2013 at 8:09pm

This example shows the usage of [gate] to select a specific note.

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#240492
Mar 3, 2013 at 9:37pm

I think i understand the patch but im somewhat puzzled by it. (if thats possible)
As it is, the notes still do not cut-off. Its the same as it was…
Am i missing something? :/

#240493
Mar 4, 2013 at 1:29am

There seems to be a design conflict: in general you want to ignore note-off messages for playing a sample, but [poly] sends note-off when a note is cut off by the next, and this message must be used to cut the sample sound.

#240494
Mar 4, 2013 at 8:11am

Hi,

Are you sure you need [poly] ?

I mean [poly] and his friend [poly~] are for voices allocation (for instance if you want to play 2 kick in the same time) but in your case you just need to trigger one-shot sample.

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#240495
Mar 4, 2013 at 10:13am

I agree that [poly] doesn’t seem the right tool in this case. Basically [poly 1 1] can be used to enforce monophony, but it’s problematic for handling one-shot samples.

#240496
Mar 4, 2013 at 11:56am

Hi,

slightly modified…

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#240497
Mar 4, 2013 at 2:42pm

@Nicolas, You are the Man! Thank you so much! (@broc – no offence – you are too!) apologies for taking this thread the wrong way(poly), still quite a noob at heart —– Ok, I have some questions.

1. [zl slice 1] – slice’s the incoming data, taking the first of whats in the list. (which is pitch) Right?
2. [; $1 $2 $3] – is working with [coll]? routing the signal somehow? (cant find any ref. on this] i dont really understand how the list gets passed onto [receive]. [coll] is like an automatic [send]? (also cant find any ref. on this)

3. Main question / query;
I want this whole function (cut-off sample as soon as the next is triggered) to be an optional choice for each group of sounds (on/off toggle). ex. So the kick and snare groups would play WITH cut-off (as is now), whereas the hat and percussion groups would play WITHOUT cut-off.

Now i understand that interrupting/removing the bang between [stripnote] and [flush] does this, BUT, how could i remove this bang for only SPECIFIC groups? I hope that makes sense.

PS- or perhaps theres a different way of going about this?

#240498
Mar 4, 2013 at 3:57pm

3. I got it working! I duplicated the main sub-patch. Ending up with (p withCut, p noCut). In the second sub-patch (p noCut) i removed the bang between [stripnote] and [flush]. Then i simply used a gate to switch between the 2 sub-patches. Assuming you understand what im saying; Do you see anything wrong/conflicting with this method?

Regarding question 1 and 2; id still like to get an answer please.

3. Hmm, actually i just realised i havent sorted the problem exactly how i want it. Because each sub-patch [coll] contains all the same items. So my ‘solution’ only works for all the groups or none of them. (getting confused in my own thoughts now)
So #3 still isnt solved and stands as described in the previous post above.

#240499
Mar 4, 2013 at 4:23pm

Hi,

1. and 2. : please open and study maxhelp patches first before to ask in the forum.
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVS6oNX9YRY&playnext=1&list=PLFA6748297026540C&feature=results_video )

#240500
Mar 4, 2013 at 4:52pm

Hi,

Apologies for 1 and 2. Usually i open the help patch first, this time i opened the Ref. first and didn’t open the help! Its all there. I belive i understand everything thats going on.
However, #3 is still not solved. Could you please help me with it?

#240501
Mar 4, 2013 at 6:21pm

Hi,

If you don’t want zero in your hit hat group can’t you just filter it ?

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#240502
Mar 4, 2013 at 8:38pm

Hi Nicolas,

Yup, it works perfect! I understand the patch and what you did, i just couldn’t have thought of it my self. (too early in the learning stage) thats my excuse. :)
Thanks very much again!

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