Re: Important information about changes to the max list for digest

Jan 19, 2006 at 7:02pm

Re: Important information about changes to the max list for digest

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:27:04 -0700, wallace winfrey
wrote:

>Because of the nature of this integration, it is currently not possible
>to offer a digest version of the list. We are certain that this
>disappoints and frustrates some of you. However, we feel that the
>alternatives that are provided should make up for the loss of the digest.

Wallace
As always, I would like to thank you C74 beauties for all your work,
the new website, forums etc look & work great!

BUT

Actually the digest is so much better for me.
I find it easier to track/enjoy/learn, (mostly the latter)
the wonderful sprawl of Max intellects in these here parts

PLEASE can we have the digest version back

most respectfully
Simon

#23999
Jan 19, 2006 at 7:14pm

Sorry, if we were able to reliably provide the digest at this point and time we would. It’s not because of spite that it’s no longer an option.

#68734
Jan 19, 2006 at 8:27pm

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:14:42 -0700, you wrote:

>Sorry, if we were able to reliably provide the digest at this point and time we would. It’s not because of spite that it’s no longer an option.

well of of course I realise its not spite, but thats not good news at
all.
Hmmm, some upgrade….

Also I wonder why,having cc’d that mail to the list – on purpose-
it hasn’t so far appeared, are cc’d mails ignored in the new system?

regards, a bit peeved
Simon

ps.FYI I’ve sub’d to the new list, but its HORRIBLE to deal with here
pardon me

#68735
Jan 19, 2006 at 8:55pm

Simon Kunath wrote:

> Also I wonder why,having cc’d that mail to the list – on purpose-
> it hasn’t so far appeared, are cc’d mails ignored in the new system?

My original reply was posted via the system, so your posts are indeed
being imported. It doesn’t make a difference whether or not they’re CCed.

cheers

w

#68736
Jan 19, 2006 at 9:24pm

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:55:14 -0700, you wrote:

>My original reply was posted via the system, so your posts are indeed
>being imported. It doesn’t make a difference whether or not they’re CCed.

Ok I just checked that,
FYI the web version is updating faster, some hours or more before
email from here.

S

#68737
Jan 19, 2006 at 9:30pm

The web version will always update faster than people receive emails because the mailing list software is on the same machine as the forum software. How quickly mail shows up in remote mailboxes is entirely dependent upon the various conditions in between our server and the remote mail server.

FWIW, I usually see emails arrive pretty quickly in my non-Cycling mailboxes. At the very least, I can say that it’s much faster than the days of Majordomo, when you’d sometimes wait as long as 8 hours (or more) to see your post show up.

#68738
Jan 19, 2006 at 9:39pm

On around Jan 19, 2006, at 21:27, Simon Kunath said something like:
> regards, a bit peeved

While I am sure it is more convenient for some people to have an
automated digest, with today’s mail software (indeed, with
yeseteryear’s mail software) it should be possible to have messages
from the Max list automatically funneled off into a text file that your
mail client then automtatically places in your In Box at some specific
time of day.

IOW, you could build your own digest processor. With “you” I mean “some
of you folks who prefer digests, collectively, as a group project.”

For my part, I dropped digests a long time ago in order to have the
flexibility of routing incoming Max messages based on subject, content
and (sometimes) sender.

Anyway, I understand the frustration, but hope you can perhaps turn the
“peeved” into positive energy.

– Peter

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#68739
Jan 19, 2006 at 10:33pm

yes well, where in the world one’s mailserver resides is more & more
irrelevant.
I am in the UK, my mailserver is in the US mostly some ms away
– so what

But thats still missing the point, I dont think I am alone in missing
the Digest format

Yrs
Simon

#68740
Jan 19, 2006 at 11:03pm

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:39:23 +0100, you wrote:

>While I am sure it is more convenient for some people to have an
>automated digest, with today’s mail software (indeed, with
>yeseteryear’s mail software) it should be possible to have messages
>from the Max list automatically funneled off into a text file that your
>mail client then automtatically places in your In Box at some specific
>time of day.

Well of course I have already set filters for all that.
Its more a matter of, how can I say, ‘convenience’.
I have often learnt much from subjects that are not obviously mine & I
find this new format less enervating.

Why should any upgrade be less than before?

Ok, maybe that just me, I shall have to retrain…

>Anyway, I understand the frustration, but hope you can perhaps turn the
>”peeved” into positive energy.

always trying to do that! ;-)

overAnOwt
Simon

#68741
Jan 20, 2006 at 12:13am

The digest was an easy way to see what was happening.

I applaud C74 for this revamp – but the loss of the digest is a great shame. It is not as easy to get an overview of the Max/MSP realm as it was before.

While the forums and RSS feeds are good for finding out answers to a specific technical problem, they don’t give you the fun generated by the digest mode. How would I ever have known about the Zsolt of lightening? Or what John Nowak looks like?

Without thinking, a great asset to the community has been lost. But that doesn’t mean something better cant replace it. For example, a weekly list of informative posts could be sent out to the old digest list.

#68742
Jan 20, 2006 at 12:33am

For cross-pollination of my brainflowers, I prefer to see email from
all the various forums in one place, too.

In Mail.app, I’ve set up a simple rule for each forum list to funnel
them all into one box for me now.. and I’ve got my digest style
overview again.

Vlad

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#68743
Jan 20, 2006 at 1:48am

aha! i honestly could not figure out why anyone would want the digest
in the first place… but that’s because i’ve been sorting my mail via
procmail rules for years and years. so my “max” mailbox *is* a digest,
except i can delete the parts i don’t care about.

#68744
Jan 20, 2006 at 2:23am

On Jan 19, 2006, at 8:48 PM, dlurk wrote:

> aha! i honestly could not figure out why anyone would want the
> digest in the first place… but that’s because i’ve been sorting
> my mail via procmail rules for years and years. so my “max”
> mailbox *is* a digest, except i can delete the parts i don’t care
> about.

There are times where the digest is nice. I’ve used it in the past
when I knew I’d not have my computer for awhile, meaning I’d be using
webmail to do the checking. My webmail interface does not have
filters. Plus, I did not want to have to download 3000 individual
messages after not having my computer for a week or two.

I’ve also digested the list in the past to purposely clump emails
together. I was rather busy at the time and didn’t want the
temptation of reading every email to hit the list as soon as they
came in. With the digest, I skimmed it with my morning coffee and
that was that. Yes, I could write a script to take care of this since
I’m using a rather flexible setup (mutt/procmail), but for people
using Mail.app or Thunderbird, such things are not really an option.
Besides, writing the script would’ve negated the whole time-saving
issue in the first place.

That said, I’m not sure why there is no digest version nowadays. With
mailman, it is as simple as flipping a switch to enable this
behaviour. Perhaps Wally can give us a reason? (I like reasons.)

- John

#68745
Jan 20, 2006 at 2:28am

Does all of this mean that people who use jitter, pluggo, java, et al. Must
subscribe to ALL of the lists?

Slainte,
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

#68746
Jan 20, 2006 at 3:36am

#68747
Jan 20, 2006 at 5:20am

> That said, I’m not sure why there is no digest version nowadays. With
> mailman, it is as simple as flipping a switch to enable this
> behaviour. Perhaps Wally can give us a reason? (I like reasons.)

1. Without having to write our own version of YahooGroups, we need to be both backwards compatible with the mailing lists as much as possible, while presenting new alternatives to people. This means that there needs to be some glue to merge the activity on Fudforum with the activity on Mailman. Integrating digests into this scheme is more involved than the flip of some switch.

2. Digest subscribers are the worst offenders when it comes to excessive quoting and meaningless subject lines/busted threads. We anticipate having to spend enough time on cleaning up email list subscribers habits in the forum as it is.

3. Digest-like behaviour is readily available for those who are inclined to adopt “new” technologies such as Atom feeds and the like. For example, if you have a cycling74.com RSS folder in Netnewswire or Thunderbird, you may scan the headers once a day, or whenever you like in the same way you would scan the contents of a digest email. Not only that – but there is a whole new world out there for you…..

Add it all together and you have your reason.

If people are confused and uncertain about the use of Atom and RSS feeds, let us know. If there’s enough response we’ll put together a wiki page on this site which could explain how to get all of this going (for free) on both platforms.

-A

#68748
Jan 25, 2006 at 9:59am

wallace winfrey wrote:
> I can say that it’s much faster than the days of Majordomo,
> when you’d sometimes wait as long as 8 hours (or more) to see your post show up.

For me it never took more, mostly less than a minute to show up in my
inbox. The reason must have been outside of Majordomo…

Stefan

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