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					<title><![CDATA[Re:  Re:  The click~ object and band limited impulses&#8230;]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>volker böhm</dc:creator>

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						<p>><br />
> how do you bandlimit a spike? that is always an interesting question.<br />
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<p>from a paper by eli brandt: &#8220;A bandlimited impulse is a sinc  <br />
function, time-scaled so as to have one zero-crossing<br />
per sample period.&#8221;<br />
you might want to read it a second time &#8211; well, at least, i had to  <br />
read it several times to understand&#8230;</p>
<p>basically this means, a  single bandlimited impulse is identical to a  <br />
unit impulse, as the sample points fall on the<br />
zero-crossings of the sinc function (so you don&#8217;t &#8220;see&#8221; it in the  <br />
sampled version).</p>
<p>it gets more complicated if you are interested in a series of closely  <br />
spaced impulses to generate harmonic sounds<br />
(impulse train). as long as the fundamental period is an integer  <br />
multiple of the sampling rate, you are fine.<br />
but with any other period, the impulses naturally will fall inbetween  <br />
sampling points, forcing us to interpolate -<br />
otherwise heavy aliasing would occur. and that&#8217;s where the underlying  <br />
sinc-function becomes visible (and audible).</p>
<p>
>> You can be creative about how you limit/modify the<br />
>> bandwidth using any of the array of available filters on the output<br />
>> of [click~].</p>
<p>there certainly is a lot of fun and creative potential in this  <br />
combination.<br />
if the goal is to produce a bandlimited impulse _train_, though, you  <br />
will not get there by generating<br />
a unit impulse and using available filters in msp.</p>
<p>i believe there is more than one way to do it right &#8211; i had some  <br />
success using DSF (discrete summation formulae).<br />
yet, i haven&#8217;t seen an implementation only with native maxmsp objects.</p>
<p>vb</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>mzed</dc:creator>

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> Are impulses related to band limited impulses and how would I go about creating a band limited impulse using the click object if this were the case?<br />
> </p>
<p>There was an object called blit~ that did that:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=objects&#038;id_objet=909&#038;requested=blit&#038;operateur=AND&#038;id_plateforme=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=objects&#038;id_objet=909&#038;requested=blit&#038;operateur=AND&#038;id_plateforme=0</a></p>
<p>It seems like development has stopped, though.  Get me the source and I&#8217;ll try to port it.</p>
<p>z</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>volker böhm</dc:creator>

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					<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>kjg</dc:creator>

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						<p>hi volker,</p>
<p>luigi&#8217;s blit is indeed more cpu friendly.<br />
i&#8217;m curious to see how it runs on my intel machine (it&#8217;s in for repair atm)<br />
at a freq of 10k they are about the same on the g4 machine i tested on today, at 1k the difference gets in the region of 400% and at low frequencies the difference runs up to approx 1000%.. Then again, your external actually behaves like it should at low freqs. it also seems to be constant in it&#8217;s cpu usage no matter what freq, which could be an advantage in some scenarios</p>
<p>as long a you just need a few blits yours is fine. if you need 50, maybe less fine :)</p>
<p>would be great if you one day could optimize it a bit, and maybe add a signalrate input while you are at it? a phase input to control the freq that way, synced to other oscillators, would be cool too</p>
<p>for now, i&#8217;m very happy with it though. <br />
thanks again for sharing this with us.</p>
<p>regards,<br />
klaas-jan</p>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Adam Murray</dc:creator>

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						<p>Quote: smill wrote on Wed, 10 October 2007 15:00<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
> a &#8216;perfect&#8217; impulse would theoretically contain equal energy across the  <br />
> frequency spectrum of human hearing.</p>
<p>White noise also has equal energy across the spectrum. But it doesn&#8217;t make sense that an impulse and white noise would have the same spectrum, right? Can anyone explain?</p>
<p>-Adam</p>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Stefan Tiedje</dc:creator>

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						<p>Adam Murray schrieb:<br />
> White noise also has equal energy across the spectrum. But it doesn&#8217;t<br />
> make sense that an impulse and white noise would have the same<br />
> spectrum, right? Can anyone explain?</p>
<p>It has the same spectrum if you look at the magnitudes, but the impuls <br />
has a defined phase relation between all these added cosines, that zeros <br />
out the signal on all times but the initial moment&#8230;</p>
<p>noise has arbitrary phase relations&#8230;<br />
The time structure is very dependent on the phases&#8230;</p>
<p>Look into literature about the fourier synthesis, its all explained <br />
there&#8230;</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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