OK, so here is the deal: Max 5 patches are much, much larger than Max 4
patches so if you want to post a patch, you must go to the forum and
attach it to your message. You cannot post it inline! You MUST attach
it! I will also strongly recommend that mailing list users post their
patches this way, as there is a tendency for mail programs to post
textual data inline anyway.

We are going to be very strict about enforcing this policy in the
future, and you all have my apologies that this policy was not presented
to you in advance (this goes for you too, Emmanuel! ;-)

For the time being, we will do our best to take Max 5 patches posted
inline and turn them into attachments on the forum, however, in the
future, they will simply be stripped.

This is an especially important rule for the mailing list users to keep
in mind. Remember that every post is a contribution to the incredible
resource that is the forum archive, and when you senselessly quote the
entire message containing a very large Max 5 patch, you make for endless
scrolling for people reading the conversation later on and the archive
much less incredible.

So please, please, post your .maxpat files as attachments in the forum.

At this point, consider this to be a “strong suggestion”. In the future,
it will be a rule, and we will consider it a violation of the rules to
post patches inline. We’re not implementing this policy to be dicks.
We’re doing it to make it easier for everyone to use the forum archive.

Thanks,

w

this is kind of going to make the list-as-mailing-list useless, kind
of? if we can’t use attachments when we’re simply subscribed to the
list? :/

> this is kind of going to make the list-as-mailing-list useless, kind
> of? if we can’t use attachments when we’re simply subscribed to the
> list? :/

Attachments posted from the forum go out to the list. Attachments posted
from the list do not make it into the forum. It’s a suggestion for now
anyway. Since the vast majority of the posts to this list do not include
attachments anyway, it appears from my vantage point like only a minor
inconvenience.

w

So the problem is Max 5 patches are much larger. But they also have a lot of redundancy in them. I wonder if it’s possible to compromise: with a text-based compressor/decompressor we could post our patches inline as a much shorter (although cryptic) chunk of text. I believe this is often done on usenet? I bet someone could whip this up pretty easily but without a standard streamlined solution it probably won’t fly. Probably a dumb idea but just thought I’d throw it out there.

Another thought is to make the forum smarter, and maybe hide inline patches by default until you click a “show patch” button. Just need a little javascript and maybe enable some special tags in the forum (like [code] or whatever). Wouldn't that solve the problem?

I'm sure there are much more important things to work on right now though. I'll use attachments.

PS - Wallace, did you want this post to be sticky at the top of the forum?

personally i don’t see myself opening my browser and click my way
through the forum to get to the right thread only to post a patch.

i’ll attach it to an email, yes. but that’s it.

my 0.02 CHF

/*j

jb

FWIW, removing whitespace and line breaks from the json makes it a bit
more manageable. But not much.

bt

On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:57 PM, jasch wrote:

> this is going to make contributing to this “incredible” resource
> MUCH less attractive for mailing list users.
>
> personally i don’t see myself opening my browser and click my way
> through the forum to get to the right thread only to post a patch.
>
> i’ll attach it to an email, yes. but that’s it.
>
> my 0.02 CHF
>
> /*j

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: http://www.barrythrew.com

so why not just close the damn mailing list? I mean since it doesnt
translate attachments ANYWAY….

where do i find the rss feed address to plug into a reader?

The list is dead. Long live the forum.

This sentence is where I voice my last word of dissent on this matter.
Sigh.

bt

On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Andrew Benson wrote:

>
> I’m with Jeremy on this one. Personally, I prefer Vienna over
> NetNewsWire, but YMMV. I have to admit I was really reluctant to
> make the switch, but I got really tired of having my attachments not
> work.
>
>
>
> –
> Andrew B.
> –
> Cycling ’74 Support

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: http://www.barrythrew.com

Maybe someone “in the know” could post some instructions on how to
download/configure some of the more popular RSS readers for all the
old email dinosaurs like myself. Anyone tried with Leopard Mail? I
haven’t used any of the RSS features or have any idea how they compare
to these others, but I’d rather not have another program running
besides my email client (Mail.app) and preferred web browser
(Safari.app).

Thanks,
Joshua

There is no link in the browser or anywhere on the forum.

Or else I just can’t find it, and I consider myself pretty good at teh
interwebs.

bt

On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

>
> I used to be just like you… and then I started reading the forum
> as an RSS feed in NetNewsWire. It’s like being on the mailing list
> (I just get a list of incoming posts with full text), but if I want
> to respond to something, I just hit enter, and it opens the
> corresponding forum thread in the built-in browser, open to the post
> I was reading, where I can start writing a reply right away. I’m
> never going back to the email version. Ne-vah.
>
> jb

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: http://www.barrythrew.com

http://www.newsgator.com/

Here’s a new atom feed Wally made for the forum, you just subscribe to it in your reader of choice and you can see all the forum posts, there’s a link at the bottom of the feed page which takes you to the reply form.

http://www.cycling74.com/forums/atom-test.php?frm=7&mode=m&l=1&n=200&basic=1

Other RSS feeds for all of the content on our site can be got here

http://www.cycling74.com/feeds/

-A

http://www.cycling74.com/feeds/

Copy the URL of the feed you are interested in and paste it into the Subscribe field of your favorite RSS reader.

AB

If you use gmail, you already have one setup. Check out the Reader link at the top of your screen (might be hidden under “more”).

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM < http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space < http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP < http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

> I hope there’s still time for the Max mailing list. It sort of
> feels like it’s the Road Runner, having run off the edge of a
> cliff, but not having noticed yet.

Oh me too! My mailboxes (many of whom now seem to date back to the
early 90′s) function as my brain database. I really dislike
‘forums’, but I’m an old guy. I don’t use AIM either.

I do read a lot of this list on my iPhone while traveling now,
though, so I hope the mail list won’t die. edge e-mail seems a bit
more efficient than the browser thing.

brad

http://music.columbia.edu/~brad

It would be nice if all the atom links added as their respective
catagories instead of all coming up as “Cycling74 Forums” though.

bt – Still posting from list.

cheers,
David