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rewire & pro tools.. again..

July 7, 2006 | 8:32 pm

hi all

this has been discussed on the list in the past and deemed as
impossible, but i wanted to check if anyone found a solution yet. so the
question is this:

how can i ouput pro tools to msp using rewire (or anything else for that
matter) on the same machine in real-time?

i know about using two machines + two soundcards or making a RTAS
plug-in, but this is no good for the project i’m working on right now.

thanks for any advices/solutions!

jm, digidesign hater

G5 dual 2.0Ghz
3.5GB RAM
OSX 10.4.7
Max/MSP 4.5.7
ProTools 7 (HD thingy)


July 7, 2006 | 8:52 pm

I have only seen the rewire thing happen with max/protools when using
protools LE…

i have had to do some silly stuff with digidesign hardware protools and
msp. like wire the analog outs of the mbox to the line in of my
computer.

grrrr digidesign grrr.


July 8, 2006 | 10:39 am


July 9, 2006 | 10:09 pm

The Digidesign hardware is not accessible by other applications while
Pro Tools is launched. With Pro Tools v5.x and earlier, there was a
function called Active in Background that allowed the audio output from
other applications to be sent to the Digidesign hardware for playback
while Pro Tools was launched.

Essentially, what I, Langdon, and Jean-Michel want (and I speculate many
others too), is the Active in Background function reintroduced to Pro
Tools. I was told by someone on their payroll that this was removed
because it caused issues. I never experienced those issues. Its
removal has certainly caused us issues!

So, I suggest that the two of you, and anyone else who wants this
functionality, go to this web page.

http://archive.digidesign.com/support/forms/feature/

For the feature request category, choose Audio. For the field labeled
"Please list your feature request in detail:", paste the text below
inside (my theory is that if we all use the same wording, the "same"
requests won’t be classified as "different").

I would like to request the reintroduction of the Active in Background
function that was available in Pro Tools v5.x on Mac OS v9. I need to
be able to route the audio output of any application through the
Digidesign hardware while Pro Tools is active.

If enough of us hit their server with this request, perhaps they will
act upon it.

-Jonathan

Langdon C Crawford wrote:
> I have only seen the rewire thing happen with max/protools when using
> protools LE…
>
> i have had to do some silly stuff with digidesign hardware protools and
> msp. like wire the analog outs of the mbox to the line in of my
> computer.
>
> grrrr digidesign grrr.


July 10, 2006 | 10:50 pm

good idea jonathan

even if i highly doubt that the guys at digidesign actually read those..

but it’s worth a try!

jm

Jonathan S. Abrams wrote:
> The Digidesign hardware is not accessible by other applications while
> Pro Tools is launched. With Pro Tools v5.x and earlier, there was a
> function called Active in Background that allowed the audio output
> from other applications to be sent to the Digidesign hardware for
> playback while Pro Tools was launched.
>
> Essentially, what I, Langdon, and Jean-Michel want (and I speculate
> many others too), is the Active in Background function reintroduced to
> Pro Tools. I was told by someone on their payroll that this was
> removed because it caused issues. I never experienced those issues.
> Its removal has certainly caused us issues!
>
> So, I suggest that the two of you, and anyone else who wants this
> functionality, go to this web page.
>
> http://archive.digidesign.com/support/forms/feature/
>
> For the feature request category, choose Audio. For the field labeled
> "Please list your feature request in detail:", paste the text below
> inside (my theory is that if we all use the same wording, the "same"
> requests won’t be classified as "different").
>
> I would like to request the reintroduction of the Active in Background
> function that was available in Pro Tools v5.x on Mac OS v9. I need to
> be able to route the audio output of any application through the
> Digidesign hardware while Pro Tools is active.
>
> If enough of us hit their server with this request, perhaps they will
> act upon it.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> Langdon C Crawford wrote:
>> I have only seen the rewire thing happen with max/protools when using
>> protools LE…
>>
>> i have had to do some silly stuff with digidesign hardware protools
>> and msp. like wire the analog outs of the mbox to the line in of my
>> computer.
>>
>> grrrr digidesign grrr.
>


July 11, 2006 | 3:16 am

At the risk of sounding arrogant, people at Digidesign listen to me. It
guarantees nothing though. There’s always strength in numbers.

-Jonathan

Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
> good idea jonathan
>
> even if i highly doubt that the guys at digidesign actually read those..
>
> but it’s worth a try!
>
> jm
>
> Jonathan S. Abrams wrote:
>> The Digidesign hardware is not accessible by other applications while
>> Pro Tools is launched. With Pro Tools v5.x and earlier, there was a
>> function called Active in Background that allowed the audio output
>> from other applications to be sent to the Digidesign hardware for
>> playback while Pro Tools was launched.
>>
>> Essentially, what I, Langdon, and Jean-Michel want (and I speculate
>> many others too), is the Active in Background function reintroduced
>> to Pro Tools. I was told by someone on their payroll that this was
>> removed because it caused issues. I never experienced those issues.
>> Its removal has certainly caused us issues!
>>
>> So, I suggest that the two of you, and anyone else who wants this
>> functionality, go to this web page.
>>
>> http://archive.digidesign.com/support/forms/feature/
>>
>> For the feature request category, choose Audio. For the field
>> labeled "Please list your feature request in detail:", paste the text
>> below inside (my theory is that if we all use the same wording, the
>> "same" requests won’t be classified as "different").
>>
>> I would like to request the reintroduction of the Active in
>> Background function that was available in Pro Tools v5.x on Mac OS
>> v9. I need to be able to route the audio output of any application
>> through the Digidesign hardware while Pro Tools is active.
>>
>> If enough of us hit their server with this request, perhaps they will
>> act upon it.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>>
>> Langdon C Crawford wrote:
>>> I have only seen the rewire thing happen with max/protools when
>>> using protools LE…
>>>
>>> i have had to do some silly stuff with digidesign hardware protools
>>> and msp. like wire the analog outs of the mbox to the line in of my
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> grrrr digidesign grrr.


July 21, 2006 | 9:45 am

Jonathan S. Abrams wrote:
> If enough of us hit their server with this request, perhaps they will
> act upon it.

Though I believe its a marketing issue, they need to fool their
customers, as they believe thats the way to sell more.

Just anytime you want to buy anything it would be good advice to tell
Digidesign you didn’t buy their stuff for those reasons. Why would they
expect you to buy two different hardware interfaces, just to run
ProTools? Tell them Nuendo/Logic/DP/Cubase/Deck/Ardour or whatever will
do the job as well, even if its not as good, it would justify to reject
Digidesign Hardware and Software…

Stefan


Stefan Tiedje————x——-
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November 28, 2006 | 12:57 pm

just for curiosity, in what sense logic is not as good as protools?

2006/7/21, Stefan Tiedje :
>
> Jonathan S. Abrams wrote:
> > If enough of us hit their server with this request, perhaps they will
> > act upon it.
>
> Though I believe its a marketing issue, they need to fool their
> customers, as they believe thats the way to sell more.
>
> Just anytime you want to buy anything it would be good advice to tell
> Digidesign you didn’t buy their stuff for those reasons. Why would they
> expect you to buy two different hardware interfaces, just to run
> ProTools? Tell them Nuendo/Logic/DP/Cubase/Deck/Ardour or whatever will
> do the job as well, even if its not as good, it would justify to reject
> Digidesign Hardware and Software…
>
> Stefan
>
> –
> Stefan Tiedje————x——-
> –_____———–|————–
> –(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
> — _|_)—-|—–()————–
> ———-()——–www.ccmix.com
>
>


November 28, 2006 | 1:31 pm

Quote: bernardobarros2@gmail wrote on Tue, 28 November 2006 13:57
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> just for curiosity, in what sense logic is not as good as protools?

In that apple (former emagic) pretends to be able to support a bunch of advanced features that protools doesn’t. Problem is they are not up to the task of maintaining all of them properly. Ergo, logic has more features but is full of bugs and interface flaws compared to protools.

Mattijs


November 29, 2006 | 2:53 pm

bbarros wrote:
>
> just for curiosity, in what sense logic is not as good as protools?

Well, thats certainly a matter of taste, I found Logic always "unlogic"
whereas ProTools is pretty intuitive, but others might think the
opposite about it. Usually you like the tool you learned deeply first…

I am sure you can do anything in Logic what you can do in ProTools,
since a short time (for much more money) the inverse is also true, as
Digi purchased Sibelius to have some scoring as well… ;-)

Stefan


Stefan Tiedje————x——-
–_____———–|————–
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– _|_)—-|—–()————–
———-()——–www.ccmix.com


December 1, 2006 | 2:54 am

a little off-topic – but I’m having trouble using rewire and logic express.
Does anybody have any knowledge about logi express crapping out on the
rewire side of things.

J

On 11/29/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
> bbarros wrote:
> >
> > just for curiosity, in what sense logic is not as good as protools?
>
> Well, thats certainly a matter of taste, I found Logic always "unlogic"
> whereas ProTools is pretty intuitive, but others might think the
> opposite about it. Usually you like the tool you learned deeply first…
>
> I am sure you can do anything in Logic what you can do in ProTools,
> since a short time (for much more money) the inverse is also true, as
> Digi purchased Sibelius to have some scoring as well… ;-)
>
> Stefan
>
> –
> Stefan Tiedje————x——-
> –_____———–|————–
> –(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
> — _|_)—-|—–()————–
> ———-()——–www.ccmix.com
>
>


December 1, 2006 | 9:30 am

Quote: jhaymailing wrote on Fri, 01 December 2006 03:54
—————————————————-
> a little off-topic – but I’m having trouble using rewire and logic express.
> Does anybody have any knowledge about logi express crapping out on the
> rewire side of things.

I do have knowledge about logic pro crapping out on the rewire side of things.

There was another thread about this:

http://www.cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=82277&rid=3579&S=3fa754eb2b1b100058d0574e65ddcd79#msg_82277

>
> J
>
> On 11/29/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> >
> > bbarros wrote:
> > >
> > > just for curiosity, in what sense logic is not as good as protools?
> >
> > Well, thats certainly a matter of taste, I found Logic always "unlogic"
> > whereas ProTools is pretty intuitive, but others might think the
> > opposite about it. Usually you like the tool you learned deeply first…
> >
> > I am sure you can do anything in Logic what you can do in ProTools,
> > since a short time (for much more money) the inverse is also true, as
> > Digi purchased Sibelius to have some scoring as well… ;-)
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > –
> > Stefan Tiedje————x——-
> > –_____———–|————–
> > –(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
> > — _|_)—-|—–()————–
> > ———-()——–www.ccmix.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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