rewire & surround questions

Jun 5, 2008 at 9:28pm

rewire & surround questions

I’ve been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.

There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.

This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.

My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not
so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.

What are other people’s favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3
or is 5 OK?

Best,

Zip

#38261
Jun 6, 2008 at 1:58am

I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with
soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.

I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any
of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have
to tell your patch where the speakers are.

M

On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:

> I’ve been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
>
> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
> vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
>
> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
>
> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
> Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is
> not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
>
> What are other people’s favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3
> or is 5 OK?
>
> Best,
>
> Zip
>
>

#133156
Jun 6, 2008 at 5:41am

I’m currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo, working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the platform you’re on. (Mac here)

#133157
Jun 6, 2008 at 8:42am

Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven’t used it
for quite a while.

Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:

> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results
> with soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
>
> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in
> any of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will
> have to tell your patch where the speakers are.
>
> M
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
>
>> I’ve been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to
>> pan music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
>>
>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
>> vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
>>
>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
>>
>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
>> Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is
>> not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
>>
>> What are other people’s favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max
>> 4.6.3 or is 5 OK?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Zip
>>
>>
>

#133158
Jun 6, 2008 at 8:42am

Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven’t used it
for quite a while.

Op 6-jun-2008, om 7:41 heeft Philippe Jelli het volgende geschreven:

>
> I’m currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo,
> working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes
> when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time
> with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the
> platform you’re on. (Mac here)
>
>

#133159
Jun 6, 2008 at 11:44am

if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable.

i don’t like rewire, either

cheers,

Carey

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven’t used it for quite
> a while.
>
> Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
>
>> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with
>> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
>>
>> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any of
>> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have to tell
>> your patch where the speakers are.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
>>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
>>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, vbapan~
>>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
>>>
>>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
>>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
>>>
>>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. Reliability
>>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so important. I
>>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
>>>
>>> What are other people’s favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
>>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3 or is 5
>>> OK?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Zip
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

#133160
Jun 6, 2008 at 12:25pm

Testing SoundFlower and vbapan~ under Max 4.6.3. No problems so far.
I also have/use Jack, but soundflower is more of a no-brainer for
theatre soundengineers.

Thanks for the advice.

Z

Op 6-jun-2008, om 13:44 heeft carey dodge het volgende geschreven:

> if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable.
>
> i don’t like rewire, either
>
> cheers,
>
> Carey
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
>> Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven’t used it
>> for quite
>> a while.
>>
>> Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results
>>> with
>>> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
>>>
>>> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in
>>> any of
>>> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have
>>> to tell
>>> your patch where the speakers are.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
>>>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
>>>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around
>>>> (ambipan~, vbapan~
>>>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
>>>>
>>>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
>>>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
>>>>
>>>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
>>>> Reliability
>>>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so
>>>> important. I
>>>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
>>>>
>>>> What are other people’s favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
>>>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max
>>>> 4.6.3 or is 5
>>>> OK?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Zip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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