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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jitsonti@hotmail.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a graphic design student, and my final project is to visualize the sound in Thai poetry using LED light as a medium.<br />
The result is going to be like when you listen to the verse but you will see the sound(light) rather than hear it.<br />
There is 66 of LEDs appears one by one (each one represents one sound) until the end of the verse. Therefore, in my case, if I want to control the lighting circuit from the computer, do you think max/msp is the right software for me?<br />
And, if yes, do I need any hardware to connect computer and the circuit? </p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Patrice Coulombe</dc:creator>

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					<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>franck</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hello,<br />
Is there a way to make the place for assistance text line longer <br />
(bottom bar area for description of inlet and outlet). A beat more <br />
place would help me sometimes to find my pathway when i give a comment <br />
that i don&#8217;t succeed to synthetise with four words.<br />
Franck</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Peter Castine</dc:creator>

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						<p>On 7-Jun-2006, at 12:11, Franck Beaubois wrote:<br />
> Is there a way to make the place for assistance text line longer</p>
<p>The status bar grows/shrinks with horizontal window size, so making  <br />
the window wider may help.</p>
<p>However, externals written in C have a maximum string length of 64  <br />
chars and I think that limit applies also to mxj, javascript, and  <br />
abstractions.</p>
<p>Hope this helps &#8212; P.</p>
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Peter Castine             +&#8211;> Litter Power &#038; Litter Bundle for Jitter</p>
<p>iCE:  Sequencing,  Recording &#038;                   |home    | chez nous|<br />
       Interface  Building  for                   |bei uns |  i nostri|<br />
       Max/MSP   Extremely cool                   <a href="http://www.castine.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.castine.de</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dspaudio.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dspaudio.com/</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jitsonti@hotmail.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Thank you very much PC, Your answer is very helpful.</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>roger.carruthers</dc:creator>

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						<p>Not an easy task, but as Thai is a tonal language, at<br />
least you might be able to use the pitch information<br />
for something; you can use fiddle~ or one of Trstan<br />
Jehan&#8217;s objects for this &#8211; see <a href="http://www.maxobjects.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxobjects.com</a>.<br />
cheers<br />
Roger</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>franck</dc:creator>

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						<p>Thanks Peter for those precisions, i will try to be shorter :-)<br />
Franck</p>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Isjtar</dc:creator>

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						<p>i&#8217;ve studied some chinese and while it is true that tonal languages follow a pitch pattern, the one you learn in grammar books is very simplified.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like a musical melody. it&#8217;s combined with intonation and relative pitch related to former phonemes, add some timbral changes and a big bunch of randomness.<br />
been reading a book about it and well, it seems like hell to me to get anything non-random out of it by analysis.<br />
anything more appropriate than pitch analysis of a non-tonal language at least.</p>
<p>ok, maybe you weren&#8217;t witing for that, but im posting anyway : )</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jitsonti@hotmail.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Since I&#8217;m very new to this software, I don&#8217;t want to make the result out of my control, therefore, If I just want to control(turn on/off) the 66 separate LEDS in a certain time, do you think it&#8217;s possible for a beginner like me to finish it by the end of this month. Moreover, about the sensor interface, i&#8217;ve found the 3 potential boards to connect my computer and the LEDs. Those are;</p>
<p>TELEO <a href="http://makingthings.com/" rel="nofollow">http://makingthings.com/</a><br />
Phidgets <a href="http://www.phidgets.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.phidgets.com/</a> , and<br />
Arduino <a href="http://www.arduino.cc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arduino.cc/</a></p>
<p>But i still don&#8217;t quite understand how does it work about the digital output, they all have not enough digital output for my 66 separate LEDs, my question is, do I need 1 digital output per 1 LED, or do I need just 1 digital output to connect the whole LEDs circuit?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>langsound</dc:creator>

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						<p>It seems that there are a growing number of physical computing questions on<br />
this list (awesome).  Anyway there are some great resources for pcomp here:<br />
Phys Comp Home page: <a href="http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp" rel="nofollow">http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp</a></p>
<p>Kool, depending on how quickly you pick up breadboarding/soldering and<br />
programming microcontrollers, you could be switching on and off 66 separate<br />
LEDs from Max, by the end of next week (about 40-50 hours of research, and<br />
production). </p>
<p>You would need 18 digital pins to control 66 separate LEDs.<br />
16 of them could cover 64 LEDs when configured in a row collumn scan:<br />
8 digital pins emit voltage or not, and 8 digital pins would sink voltage or<br />
not.  The remaining two pins would be used for the two LEDs that did not get<br />
addressed in the array.</p>
<p>This assumes you are building the LED circuit. If you have a serial<br />
controlled LED display than you may not need all those digital i/o</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>lawrence casserley</dc:creator>

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						<p>You will definitely need more than one digital output, but not  <br />
necessarily 66! One possibility is to arrange the LEDs in a matrix &#8211;  <br />
this way you need only enough outputs for the total number of rows  <br />
and columns in the matrix. Unfortunately 66 is just above a  <br />
convenient size matrix (8 x 8 = 64), so you would need an 8 x 9  <br />
matrix, which will require 17 digital outputs, but it&#8217;s better than 66.</p>
<p>Essentially what you do is drive each row low in rapid sequence,  <br />
while driving high the columns that need to be on in that row &#8211; the  <br />
output just keeps cycling round continually. One approach to this  <br />
might be to use a coll. If you use line index as the row reference  <br />
and store the column data in the coll for each row, you can devise an  <br />
output routine that simply reads the coll row-by-row continuously.  <br />
When you want to change the state of one LED you simply write new  <br />
data into the appropriate row index of the coll.</p>
<p>A lot of interfaces have a mix of analogue and digital inputs and  <br />
outputs &#8211; look for one that has enough digital outputs and not much  <br />
stuff that you won&#8217;t need. Teleo have a 12 digital output module, so  <br />
you would need two of those at USD149 each. Phidgets only do a mixed  <br />
module. I can&#8217;t get the Arduino site to respond and I can&#8217;t remember  <br />
the exact spec of their unit &#8211; but they are very cheap, so that is  <br />
worth looking at.</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>L<br />
Lawrence Casserley &#8211; <a href="mailto:lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk">lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk</a><br />
Lawrence Electronic Operations &#8211; <a href="http://www.lcasserley.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.lcasserley.co.uk</a><br />
Colourscape Music Festivals &#8211; <a href="http://www.colourscape.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.colourscape.org.uk</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Patrice Coulombe</dc:creator>

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						<p>This is a &#8220;physical computing&#8221; issue.<br />
You should ask to  <a href="http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp" rel="nofollow">http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp</a><br />
They have a mailling list.</p>
<p>But I can help you:</p>
<p>You need to multiplex your outputs!<br />
  <a href="http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200311/dickens/Multip" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200311/dickens/Multip</a> lexing%20Atricle.html</p>
<p>Another way is using a LED driver like the MAX6955. Needs only two outputs<br />
of your microcontroler to manage it (serial i2c communication):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3540" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3540</a></p>
<p>You can make a LED matrix too! THis way, with 16 output pins, you can<br />
drive 64 LEDs. 17 outputs give you 72 LEDs. It&#8217;s difficult to explain by<br />
text without picture&#8230; I&#8217;ll try:</p>
<p>-8 pins are columns, 8 pins are rows.<br />
-8 columns X 8 rows = 64 intersections.<br />
-I plug a LED at each intersections, negative pin pluged to the row,<br />
positive pin pluged to column.</p>
<p>-SO, if my column#2 pin is positive and my row#3 is negative, it lights<br />
LED#18 (intersection of column2 and row3).<br />
-If you want to light several LEDs at the same time: Just open and close<br />
each LED in sequence very very fast (less than 5milliseconds). Similar to<br />
the &#8220;cinema illusion&#8221;, your retina won&#8217;t see the sequence. You will see<br />
the LED lightened simultaneously.</p>
<p>If this seems too complex for you, well it is normal if you never made any<br />
electronic circuits and microcontroler programming! You won&#8217;t be able to<br />
learn and make your project in 1 month I guess. Unless you&#8217;re a good<br />
autodidact and already know a programming langage! Meaby you&#8217;ll need to<br />
hire a guy like me&#8230; :-) But if you try by yourself, you&#8217;ll see when all<br />
info is collected, it&#8217;s a really easy task. Look for tutorials abut LED<br />
matrix. There&#8217;s alot of BAsic Stamp related tutorials on the internet.<br />
Basic stamp is perfect for the beginner and they have a mac compiler. Easy<br />
Basic langage for programming and a lot of ressources for newbies and<br />
autodidacts. If you continue to play with microcontrolers in the future,<br />
meaby you&#8217;ll need a better and &#8220;professionnal&#8221; microcontroler&#8230;. But for<br />
beginning, i highly recommend Basic Stamps (look to Stamp Stacks at<br />
Hvwtech.com).</p>
<p>TELEO and PHIDGET are not microcontrolers. You cannot download a program<br />
into them. But they are really MAX-friendly! If it&#8217;s possible to make a<br />
8&#215;9 LED matrix with it, well I definitively suggest you to use TELEO! It&#8217;s<br />
the simplest way. But I don&#8217;t think you can make the &#8220;matrix tactic&#8221; with<br />
a TELEO&#8230; Anybody can answer that? But I know you cannot manage a LED<br />
driver such as the MAX6955 with TELEO or Phidget.</p>
<p>I know TELEO is modular, wich means you can plug several output switch<br />
modules until you got 66 switches. I never used TELEO, my advice could be<br />
wrong.</p>
<p>Never forget to put a resistor in series with each LED, unless it&#8217;ll burn!</p>
<p>Good luck!<br />
pc</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Roman Thilenius</dc:creator>

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						<p>definelty, because there is no other program where <br />
you have such a wide range of volatge and dmx-controllers<br />
available which have been tested with or even been built <br />
for use with MAX.</p>
<p>there are student licenses and a superb user forum, too.</p>
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						<p>Thank you for all replies, They are absolutely helpful. Now i know where to go. Wish you guys have a great works.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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