[sharing my album] a new album – cvrtne.iiiii

Jan 17, 2011 at 6:39am

[sharing my album] a new album – cvrtne.iiiii

hw

i recently made an album entirely composed in max/msp,
so i thought i’d share. hope you enjoy.

it’s a drone album with rather simple wavetable synthesis.
waveforms are derived from the infamous equation (which i don’t know the proper name):
f(t)=(t-t*a)(t-1)(t+1)(t*a-1)(t*a+1)

the composing max patch only has two interactive section: length of the piece and series of numbers.

series of numbers represent fundamental frequency of all wavetables and each wavetableâ€™s parameters.
the series of numbers can be divided into categories.

for example,
35.3 11 60 5 5. 2 26 11 6.5 13 121 11 7.2 11 49 11 1.6 15 78 14 2.2 8 39 4 5.4 14 86 11 7.1 7 86 11 7.3

the very first number is the fundamental. the followings are four numbers for each wavetable times eight.
i.e. the numbers above can be broken down to:
35.3 // fundamental frequency
11 60 5 5. // parameters for the first wavetable
2 26 11 6.5 // parameters for the second wavetable
13 121 11 7.2 // parameters for the the third wavetable and so on…
11 49 11 1.6
15 78 14 2.2
8 39 4 5.4
14 86 11 7.1
7 86 11 7.3

the parameters are,
1. order# of overtone (integer)
2. variable a of the equation (integer)
3. unstability of the waveform (integer)
4. amplitude envelope form with respect to duration (floating point)

http://ondomusic.com/mesa.elech.tele/

but notice that this isn’t an mp3 release but a video release so the zip file is huge!
if you just want the max patch, it attached to this post.
you can preview the video at youtube.

Attachments:
1. cvrtne.iiiii.mxt
#54182
Jan 17, 2011 at 8:13am

wow, the video and music are both extremely beautiful!

i just want to say, it takes balls to post your art or music here on this forum. we don’t get enough of that here. and since people seem to lean towards technical discussion rather than artistic appreciation here, it can be a bit sparse on the response to such a thing as well(sure everyone shares patches but not everyone shares the art they created beyond just the tech… i suppose it’s understandable, though, cycling74 is after all JUST a company, and Max is their mere commercially distributed product… nothing more, nothing less… it is most evident by the fact that much of the staff there must also put their own art on hold for the sake of the product… it is one thing to make art in between making a living, quite another to simply dedicate yourself to making great art). on that particular note, i really want to let you know: i’m extremely grateful to have seen this. the app/visual in the videos is so amazingly simple, truly a masterful development to accomplish something so minimal looking/sounding but so engaging.
and the music on your album reminds me, perhaps if i may be so bold, of the meticulous conciseness of Kim Cascone matched perhaps with the awesome presence and power of Xenakis(it’s obvious the drone is very different from all that, but i am relating more the feel rather than the actual techniques). I have no other way of putting it but relating it through my somewhat ignorant ear to musics that have come before(i make simple beat-based music, nothing like this, although i have experimented with other things before since i was about 6, i keep moving towards rhythm as i grow older, as if my musical leaning is growing more and more immature and hyper-social with time… i simply have to go with what i feel when making my own music, nothing else would be ‘real’ …but i love listening to those ‘composers’ and to your music). Still, it’s also obvious your music stands alone.
Anyways, just wanted to let you know that i truly truly appreciate your sharing this.
Thank you!
(P.S. your website is also brilliant in its minimal aesthetic… so sparse yet so alluring.)

#194975
Jan 17, 2011 at 10:13am

What you do is amazing! I am always happy to see and wait for your new works =) Thanks!

#194976
Jan 17, 2011 at 11:23pm

Sounds good! And by the way.. Excellent Idea! Creating it and presenting it to us in max as a patch!

#194977
Jan 18, 2011 at 8:45am

thanks for kind words…

for a couple of years i was trying to run away from music with fixed time length to, what i’d call, spontaneous music on fixed system (or everyone else calls it “wind-chime” System).
but there were some inspirations and i decided to make a few pieces that have intended fixed length of time. it turned out to be a lot of fun.

i’m a big fun of kim cascone but not very familiar with the work of xenakis. (i enjoyed the ryoji ikeda’s remix a lot though.)
i’m trying beat music right now with similar concepts.
some of it is actually on the page. more to come…

#194978
Jan 21, 2011 at 6:49am

Hello, everybody!
mesa.elech/tele, I tried to combine some of your patches and modules in one patch and there you are =) strongly do not scold me =))

Attachments:
1. w2pAmbitouch.rar
#194979
Jan 21, 2011 at 11:31am

Another banger!

I was looking at your videos on youtube and was wondering if you have the patch for the video titled “dtb_ftta – rhythm + noise”, i would like to have a study of it if you still have it available?

Thanks for the music, Patrick.

#194980
Jan 21, 2011 at 2:54pm

Mesa, this is wonderful, I was playing all day with it.
Of course the patch mutated during that process, now its a Max 5 patch and the user interface is slightly more accessible – I can tweak each parameter in real time and can listen to the difference and what it means…
I also moved the oscillator sub patch out of the main patch as an abstraction, and connected all parameters with pattrs etc…

This is really so much more than just watching a video or listening to a cd, which is always the same…

I made some changes in the way of communication, but hopefully no changes in the piece. Its hard to tell though, its sounds similar to me, but you could tell better…

Thanks a lot…

Stefan

Attachments:
1. cvrtne.iiiii.zip
#194981
Jan 21, 2011 at 4:00pm

Now the “album” has an infinite duration, and will play piece after piece. You can switch it to a single piece though. Also cleaned up a bit more…
@mesa: in your original patch you could get rid of the 500 ms delay by switching the order of the first multiplication inside of the tone patches. The fundamental is coming in last…

Stefan

Attachments:
1. cvrtne.iiiii.zip
#194982
Jan 22, 2011 at 3:56am

wow, there are some remixes going on!
absolutely great!

@Rapoon
w2p was an old patch but i’m glad that you find some use for it!

@Patrick Keenan
thanks for the kind words.

http://ondomusic.com/soft.html

@stefantiedje
now this is absolutely amazing.
i don’t have max 5 (just the runtime) so i couldn’t look inside but i was able to look inside of cvrtne_tone.maxpat and to be honest i didn’t really understand what’s going on on the top (with pattr?). i guess i need the new max book and max 5…
i also love your repeat mode and how it changes the duration each time.
i didn’t hear much of the difference that you mentioned but if it’s different, maybe it is for the better, although i wonder what it sounds like if you change the wavetable size from 128 to 256 or even to 512 and 1024.
i wanted to try that but max 4 and my old, old intel CPU wouldn’t let me…

#194983
Jan 22, 2011 at 12:05pm

I hope there is no difference in the sound of your composition, I would not want to touch that. So I guess I did not mess it up.
But I couldn’t resist, and watching the videos, I thought my version had too much visible technical part while playing. Thats why I enhanced it even further – (this has to stop now..!-)
If you push the start button, all parameters will fade away, but come back if you hover over them. And of course now you can start and stop with the space key…
(And there is a hidden way to read your original post in this thread, I wonder if you find it…;-)

I consider this as an interpretation of your composition. I hope it is close enough to your idea of the piece…

Have fun…

Stefan

Attachments:
1. cvrtne.iiiii.zip
#194984
Jan 24, 2011 at 4:37am

no, no, don’t stop!
but yes, this is really nice too. i like the idea.

now i have an idea to make waveform glow depending on the amplitude,
because it’s kinda hard to tell which waveform is being the loudest…
i’ll post this as soon as i can get my hands on max5.

#194985
Jan 26, 2011 at 7:48pm

here is a version with glowing waveforms.
if you look into the subpatch [p tone_01] there is a red area for the glow which you should be able to copy and paste into cvrtne_tone.maxpat.
this should give you a good reference when you are to change parameters in real time.

Attachments:
1. cvrtne.iiiii.glw.mxt
#194986
Feb 7, 2011 at 5:59pm

@mesa.elech/tele

This max patch is AWESOME. I just recently was introduced to Max/msp and I’m addicted now. I’m a musician and the things that I could do with this program….I’ve recently been experimenting with ambient soundscape/drone music. I LOVE falling asleep to these kinds of drones. Just wanted to give my input on this amazing concept/idea/whatever you want to call it. Keep it up man.

#194987
Feb 8, 2011 at 7:34pm

thanks Jsmart88.
i’m working on the new stuff so please stay tuned…

#194988

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