Rodrigo Cadiz

Hi everyone, is there any way to discriminate when a slider or multislider

is being changed by the mouse or by a number arriving through its inlet?

What I want to have is a slider that works both as a display device (showing

its actual value) and as the way to change that value. The thing is that if

you reconnect its output to the input to refresh the display you obviously

get a stack overflow. I've tried putting gates everywhere, so when I move

the slider its value its not updated at the same time, and things like that,

but in the end all reduces to the ability to detect when a slider is being

updated by the mouse or via something else.

Centro de Investigacion en Tecnologias de Audio

Hi everyone, is there any way to discriminate when a slider or multislider
is being changed by the mouse or by a number arriving through its inlet?
What I want to have is a slider that works both as a display device (showing
its actual value) and as the way to change that value. The thing is that if
you reconnect its output to the input to refresh the display you obviously
get a stack overflow. I've tried putting gates everywhere, so when I move
the slider its value its not updated at the same time, and things like that,
but in the end all reduces to the ability to detect when a slider is being
updated by the mouse or via something else.

-- 
Rodrigo F. Cadiz, Ph.D.
Centro de Investigacion en Tecnologias de Audio
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
rcadiz@uc.cl
www.rodrigocadiz.com

slider-recursion

I'm not totally sure what your asking - maybe this will help? If not please post a patch showing your problem.

Try sticking speedlim or delay in the loop. 

Thanks John, well, that's solves the problem for a simple slider but not the

real problem that I have. I should have been more explicit in my problem.

What I really want is a way to add a small quantity (or a delta) to a

slider, like a fine tunning. But I want also to be able to "reset" the value

using the slider itself. This patch is more approximate of what I want. When

I move the number box on the top I want also the slider value to be

refreshed in the slider, and that doesn't happen with your solution.

> I'm not totally sure what your asking - maybe this will help? If not

> please post a patch showing your problem.

> #P number 221 319 69 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 221 83 69 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P user uslider 221 128 73 154 128 1 0 0;

> #P fasten 2 0 3 0 226 347 155 347 155 50 181 50;

Thanks John, well, that's solves the problem for a simple slider but not the
real problem that I have. I should have been more explicit in my problem.
What I really want is a way to add a small quantity (or a delta) to a
slider, like a fine tunning. But I want also to be able to "reset" the value
using the slider itself. This patch is more approximate of what I want. When
I move the number box on the top I want also the slider value to be
refreshed in the slider, and that doesn't happen with your solution.

On 8/6/07, Leafcutter John  wrote:
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> I'm not totally sure what your asking - maybe this will help? If not
> please post a patch showing your problem.
>
> best,
>
> john.
>
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 176 57 39 196617 set $1;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.;
> #P number 221 319 69 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P number 221 83 69 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P user uslider 221 128 73 154 128 1 0 0;
> #P fasten 3 0 1 0 181 80 226 80;
> #P connect 0 0 2 0;
> #P connect 1 0 0 0;
> #P fasten 2 0 3 0 226 347 155 347 155 50 181 50;
> #P window clipboard copycount 4;
>
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>
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> Out on Staubgold Records
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in your patch to build an extra mechanism 

if you are not able or it doesnt fit 
in your patch to build an extra mechanism 
with gates for checking what value your 
multislider currently has, the [grab] 
object might be useful for this.

you know, you could also put a transparent button over 

you know, you could also put a transparent button over 
your multislider to move "it".


Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of

specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to specify the

difference between the actual value of the slider and the new one, i.e. the

small amount (delta) to add, and that's the key of the problem.

> #P comment 258 123 115 196617 Something approximate;

> #P flonum 400 138 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P flonum 257 179 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P user hslider 257 138 18 128 128 1 0 0;

> #P comment 402 123 52 196617 Fine Tune;

> #P fasten 3 0 4 0 305 180 435 180 435 135 405 135;

> #P fasten 4 0 1 0 405 155 528 155 528 104 262 104;

Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of
specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to specify the
difference between the actual value of the slider and the new one, i.e. the
small amount (delta) to add, and that's the key of the problem.

On 8/6/07, vade  wrote:
>
> Are you over thinking this?
> unless I misunderstand?
>
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P comment 258 123 115 196617 Something approximate;
> #P flonum 400 138 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P message 300 163 39 196617 set $1;
> #P flonum 257 179 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P user hslider 257 138 18 128 128 1 0 0;
> #P comment 402 123 52 196617 Fine Tune;
> #P connect 1 0 2 0;
> #P fasten 1 0 3 0 262 160 305 160;
> #P fasten 3 0 4 0 305 180 435 180 435 135 405 135;
> #P fasten 4 0 1 0 405 155 528 155 528 104 262 104;
> #P window clipboard copycount 6;
>
>
> *v a d e //*
>
> *www.vade.info*
> *abstrakt.vade.info*
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this is pretty easy. add an int and a [-] and [+] object, and check 

the ints help file. rightmost input sets, leftmost sets and outputs. 

you can get delta with int and -, and add your offset with [+]

On Aug 6, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Rodrigo Cadiz wrote:

> Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of 

> specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to 

> specify the difference between the actual value of the slider and 

> the new one, i.e. the small amount (delta) to add, and that's the 

> Centro de Investigacion en Tecnologias de Audio

> Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile

this is pretty easy. add an int and a [-] and [+] object, and check  
the ints help file. rightmost input sets, leftmost sets and outputs.  
you can get delta with int and -, and add your offset with [+]

> Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of  
> specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to  
> specify the difference between the actual value of the slider and  
> the new one, i.e. the small amount (delta) to add, and that's the  
> key of the problem.
>
> Thanks!
> Rodrigo
>
> On 8/6/07, vade  wrote:
> Are you over thinking this?
>
> unless I misunderstand?
>
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P comment 258 123 115 196617 Something approximate;
> #P flonum 400 138 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P message 300 163 39 196617 set $1;
> #P flonum 257 179 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P user hslider 257 138 18 128 128 1 0 0;
> #P comment 402 123 52 196617 Fine Tune;
> #P connect 1 0 2 0;
> #P fasten 1 0 3 0 262 160 305 160;
> #P fasten 3 0 4 0 305 180 435 180 435 135 405 135;
> #P fasten 4 0 1 0 405 155 528 155 528 104 262 104;
> #P window clipboard copycount 6;
>
>
> v a d e //
>
> www.vade.info
> abstrakt.vade.info
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>
>
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>
>
> -- 
> Rodrigo F. Cadiz, Ph.D.
> Centro de Investigacion en Tecnologias de Audio
> Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
> rcadiz@uc.cl
> www.rodrigocadiz.com

Hi Vade, apparently I have not explained myself clearly enough, i'll try to

be more precise. I have a reference value and a delta. I need to be able

increase or decrease my reference value by this delta and update the slider

accordingly. But I also want to be able to reset the reference value

directly with the slider itself. I know I need to save the state of the

slider each time I change it. And I know that can be made with int or float

The whole point of this problem is how to avoid falling into a stack

overflow, because a loop is unavoidable in order to use the slider as both a

display and a setter, and at the same time do the calculation. I looked into

your incdec solution and it is not precisely what I want because 1) I need

to work with floats and 2) I need to be able to set any delta quantity, not

only 1 or -1, it could be any number. If you connect a set $1 to the incdec

and you change it, the slider changes to this new value directly and that's

not what I want, because I want it to change to the actual value plus the

delta (in other words, the reference value needs to be preserved)

> this is pretty easy. add an int and a [-] and [+] object, and check the

> ints help file. rightmost input sets, leftmost sets and outputs. you can get

> delta with int and -, and add your offset with [+]

> On Aug 6, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Rodrigo Cadiz wrote:

> Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of

> specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to specify the

> difference between the actual value of the slider and the new one, i.e.

> the small amount (delta) to add, and that's the key of the problem.

> > #P comment 258 123 115 196617 Something approximate;

> > #P flonum 400 138 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> > #P flonum 257 179 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> > #P user hslider 257 138 18 128 128 1 0 0;

> > #P comment 402 123 52 196617 Fine Tune;

> > #P fasten 3 0 4 0 305 180 435 180 435 135 405 135;

> > #P fasten 4 0 1 0 405 155 528 155 528 104 262 104;

Hi Vade, apparently I have not explained myself clearly enough, i'll try to
be more precise. I have a reference value and a delta. I need to be able
increase or decrease my reference value by this delta and update the slider
accordingly. But I also want to be able to reset the reference value
directly with the slider itself. I know I need to save the state of the
slider each time I change it. And I know that can be made with int or float
objects.

The whole point of this problem is how to avoid falling into a stack
overflow, because a loop is unavoidable in order to use the slider as both a
display and a setter, and at the same time do the calculation. I looked into
your incdec solution and it is not precisely what I want because 1) I need
to work with floats and 2) I need to be able to set any delta quantity, not
only 1 or -1, it could be any number. If you connect a set $1 to the incdec
and you change it, the slider changes to this new value directly and that's
not what I want, because I want it to change to the actual value plus the
delta (in other words, the reference value needs to be preserved)
Thanks a lot for your help!

On 8/6/07, vade  wrote:
>
> this is pretty easy. add an int and a [-] and [+] object, and check the
> ints help file. rightmost input sets, leftmost sets and outputs. you can get
> delta with int and -, and add your offset with [+]
>
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Rodrigo Cadiz wrote:
>
> Hi Vade, this is very close to what I want, except that instead of
> specifying the new "fine tune" value directly, I just want to specify the
> difference between the actual value of the slider and the new one, i.e.
> the small amount (delta) to add, and that's the key of the problem.
>
> Thanks!
> Rodrigo
>
> On 8/6/07, vade  wrote:
> >
> >  Are you over thinking this?
> > unless I misunderstand?
> >
> >  #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> > #P window linecount 1;
> > #P comment 258 123 115 196617 Something approximate;
> > #P flonum 400 138 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> > #P message 300 163 39 196617 set $1;
> > #P flonum 257 179 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> > #P user hslider 257 138 18 128 128 1 0 0;
> > #P comment 402 123 52 196617 Fine Tune;
> > #P connect 1 0 2 0;
> > #P fasten 1 0 3 0 262 160 305 160;
> > #P fasten 3 0 4 0 305 180 435 180 435 135 405 135;
> > #P fasten 4 0 1 0 405 155 528 155 528 104 262 104;
> > #P window clipboard copycount 6;
> >
> >
> >  * v a d e //*
> >
> > * www.vade.info*
> > * abstrakt.vade.info*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Rodrigo F. Cadiz, Ph.D.
> Centro de Investigacion en Tecnologias de Audio
> Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
> rcadiz@uc.cl
>
>
> *v a d e //*
>
> *www.vade.info*
> *abstrakt.vade.info*
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes! That's precisely what I wanted, just need to convert ints to floats.

> #P number 52 231 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 88 185 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P user multiSlider 52 104 21 95 0. 127. 1 2921 32 0 1 2 0 0 0;

On 8/6/07, dGarden  wrote:
>
>
> or do you mean something like this ??
>
> max v2;
> #N vpatcher 302 57 902 457;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P number 52 231 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P number 88 185 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P user incdec 122 185 15 15 0 0;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #N vpatcher 247 263 485 581;
> #P origin 0 55;
> #P outlet 27 243 15 0;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P newex 83 143 35 9109513 gate;
> #P message 83 120 14 9109513 0;
> #P message 68 120 14 9109513 1;
> #P button 54 95 15 0;
> #P newex 54 168 39 9109513 int;
> #P newex 54 203 75 9109513 + 0;
> #N comlet seqbar value;
> #P inlet 68 35 15 0;
> #N comlet veloc +/-;
> #P inlet 119 35 15 0;
> #N comlet velocfine out;
> #P outlet 54 243 15 0;
> #P fasten 2 0 9 0 73 59 32 59;
> #P connect 1 0 5 0;
> #P connect 5 0 4 0;
> #P connect 4 0 3 0;
> #P connect 3 0 0 0;
> #P connect 2 0 6 0;
> #P connect 5 0 7 0;
> #P connect 7 0 8 0;
> #P connect 6 0 8 0;
> #P connect 8 0 4 1;
> #P connect 2 0 8 1;
> #P connect 1 0 3 1;
> #P pop;
> #P newobj 52 207 46 9109513 p fine;
> #P user multiSlider 52 104 21 95 0. 127. 1 2921 32 0 1 2 0 0 0;
> #M frgb 85 127 187;
> #M brgb 213 213 213;
> #M rgb2 127 127 127;
> #M rgb3 0 0 0;
> #M rgb4 37 52 91;
> #M rgb5 74 105 182;
> #M rgb6 112 158 18;
> #M rgb7 149 211 110;
> #M rgb8 187 9 201;
> #M rgb9 224 62 37;
> #M rgb10 7 114 128;
> #P fasten 1 1 0 0 93 250 40 250 40 95 57 95;
> #P connect 0 0 1 0;
> #P connect 1 0 4 0;
> #P hidden connect 2 0 3 0;
> #P connect 3 0 1 1;
> #P hidden connect 3 0 2 0;
> #P pop;
>

Quote: Rodrigo Cadiz wrote on Mon, 06 August 2007 14:27

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> Yes! That's precisely what I wanted, just need to convert ints to floats.

Quote: Rodrigo Cadiz wrote on Mon, 06 August 2007 14:27
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> Yes! That's precisely what I wanted, just need to convert ints to floats.

I'm not 100% sure of what you want to do, but what about this:

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo.

cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,

 | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

I'm not 100% sure of what you want to do, but what about this:


-- 
Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno


I can't use your attached file ...? (corrupted file ?)

hi Roman,
I can't use your attached file ...? (corrupted file ?)
Would you provide a link ?

why so complicated? just send the number through [set $1] or [set 1 $1] 

why so complicated? just send the number through [set $1] or [set 1 $1] 
back to the (multi)slider

Quote: dGarden wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 00:15

> I can't use your attached file ...? (corrupted file ?)

http://adminx.de/roman/public/audio/110.bp.incdec.help

http://adminx.de/roman/public/audio/110.bp.incdec.mxb

Quote: dGarden wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 00:15
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> hi Roman,
> I can't use your attached file ...? (corrupted file ?)
> Would you provide a link ?

http://adminx.de/roman/public/audio/110.bp.incdec.help
http://adminx.de/roman/public/audio/110.bp.incdec.mxb


Slider recursion