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						<p>My apologies if this has come up before&#8230; I searched the archives and didn&#8217;t find anything that seemed particularly relevant.</p>
<p>I just picked up a new MacBookPro, and I&#8217;m looking for an external harddrive (USB 2.0) that would be well suited for live performance.  I&#8217;ll want to play audio and video files off the drive, and record to it as well.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any recommendations or wisdom to share in this area?  I know I need a 7200 rpm drive, but other than that I&#8217;m not sure.  Size isn&#8217;t as important, but I&#8217;d prefer a minimum of 100 GB.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Dan</p>
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					<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>

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						<p>I would recommend you not to choose an USB Hard disk for Live performance.<br />
Get a Firewire HD instead: it&#8217;s more reliable. Put the HD after your FW <br />
soundcard (in the firewire chain).<br />
Good FW HDs are G-Tech or Lacie Quadra ..<br />
bye</p>
<p>Carlo</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211; <br />
From: &#8220;Dan&#8221; <dan @doctorop.com><br />
To: <maxmsp @cycling74.com><br />
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:55 AM<br />
Subject: [maxmsp] [slighty OT] best USB 2.0 Harddrive for live performance?</maxmsp></dan></p>
<p>
><br />
> My apologies if this has come up before&#8230; I searched the archives and <br />
> didn&#8217;t find anything that seemed particularly relevant.<br />
><br />
> I just picked up a new MacBookPro, and I&#8217;m looking for an external <br />
> harddrive (USB 2.0) that would be well suited for live performance.  I&#8217;ll <br />
> want to play audio and video files off the drive, and record to it as <br />
> well.<br />
><br />
> Does anyone have any recommendations or wisdom to share in this area?  I <br />
> know I need a 7200 rpm drive, but other than that I&#8217;m not sure.  Size <br />
> isn&#8217;t as important, but I&#8217;d prefer a minimum of 100 GB.<br />
><br />
> Thanks,<br />
> Dan</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>dlehrich@gmail.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Any particular reason to avoid a USB hard drive?  I was under the impression that USB2.0 was actually pretty fast (although I&#8217;m not much of an expert in that area).  My MacBook has a single firewire port, and I&#8217;m using a Firewire interface (MAudio FireWire 410).  I was under the impression that daisy-chaining a harddrive would actually result in reduced performance&#8230;?</p>
<p>Any ideas?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
/dan</p>
<p>Quote: carlo-laurenzi wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:50<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
> I would recommend you not to choose an USB Hard disk for Live performance.<br />
> Get a Firewire HD instead: it&#8217;s more reliable. Put the HD after your FW <br />
> soundcard (in the firewire chain).<br />
> Good FW HDs are G-Tech or Lacie Quadra ..<br />
> bye<br />
> <br />
> Carlo</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>>Any particular reason to avoid a USB hard drive?  I was under the <br />
>impression that USB2.0 was actually pretty fast (although I&#8217;m not <br />
>much of an expert in that area).  My MacBook has a single firewire <br />
>port, and I&#8217;m using a Firewire interface (MAudio FireWire 410).  I <br />
>was under the impression that daisy-chaining a harddrive would <br />
>actually result in reduced performance&#8230;?<br />
><br />
>Any ideas?<br />
></p>
<p>not really , but i feel in mac World USB have  a bad reputation, <br />
maybe because usb 2  came late</p>
<p>from what i know usb 2 is slightly faster than FW (which usb1 is not at all)</p>
<p>on many mac forums there is this &#8220;slightly anti-usb&#8221; attitude</p>
<p>can&#8217;t tell more</p>
<p>best</p>
<p>kasper<br />
&#8211; <br />
  Kasper T. Toeplitz<br />
noise, composition, bass, computer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sleazeArt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sleazeArt.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Chris Muir</dc:creator>

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						<p>At 8:37 PM +0200 8/15/07, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:<br />
>not really , but i feel in mac World USB have  a bad reputation, maybe because usb 2  came late<br />
><br />
>from what i know usb 2 is slightly faster than FW (which usb1 is not at all)<br />
><br />
>on many mac forums there is this &#8220;slightly anti-usb&#8221; attitude</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really a bias. It&#8217;s an opinion firmly based on measurements. Firewire 400 is faster than USB 2, and by a fair amount.</p>
<p>A Google search will show many benchmarks that show that Firewire is faster:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&#038;rls=en&#038;q=firewire+vs.+usb&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;oe=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&#038;rls=en&#038;q=firewire+vs.+usb&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;oe=UTF-8</a></p>
<p>I have a few multi-interface drives (FW400 &#038; USB2), and the speed difference is quite perceivable between the two interfaces.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not bashing USB here, I use it for many things: graphics tablets, controllers, etc. Hard drive and audio interfaces are not good candidates for USB. They will work, but the performance is not nearly as good.</p>
<p>-C</p>
<p>&#8211; <br />
Chris Muir           | &#8220;There are many futures and only one status quo.<br />
<a href="mailto:cbm@well.com">cbm@well.com</a>         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,<br />
<a href="http://www.xfade.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xfade.com</a> |  and radicals always argue.&#8221; &#8211; Brian Eno</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Fwiw, I experienced occasional audio dropouts when using a USB drive with an<br />
iTunes server, but have had none since changing to a FW drive.<br />
 The drive I&#8217;m using is a Western Digital MyBook, which I chose because it&#8217;s<br />
nice and quiet. If noise is an issue to you, a colleague has a Freecom USB 2<br />
drive which is even quieter.<br />
 And if you&#8217;re set on USB 2, Dabs.com have 250GB Western Digital USB2 drives<br />
at an extremely attractive price atm&#8230;<br />
Cheers<br />
Roger</p>
<p>
On 15/8/07 19:27, &#8220;Dan&#8221; <dan @doctorop.com> wrote:</dan></p>
<p>> <br />
> Any particular reason to avoid a USB hard drive?  I was under the impression<br />
> that USB2.0 was actually pretty fast (although I&#8217;m not much of an expert in<br />
> that area).  My MacBook has a single firewire port, and I&#8217;m using a Firewire<br />
> interface (MAudio FireWire 410).  I was under the impression that<br />
> daisy-chaining a harddrive would actually result in reduced performance&#8230;?<br />
> <br />
> Any ideas?<br />
> <br />
> Thanks<br />
> /dan<br />
> <br />
> Quote: carlo-laurenzi wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:50<br />
> &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
>> I would recommend you not to choose an USB Hard disk for Live performance.<br />
>> Get a Firewire HD instead: it&#8217;s more reliable. Put the HD after your FW<br />
>> soundcard (in the firewire chain).<br />
>> Good FW HDs are G-Tech or Lacie Quadra ..<br />
>> bye<br />
>> <br />
>> Carlo<br />
> </p>
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						<p>One of the biggest issues is that USB has not provision for dealing with timing information, which makes it pretty crappy for audio/video applications. It may be fast copying files, but it&#8217;s kind of poop for audio. </p>
<p>J.</p>
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						<p>Thanks guys for all your input&#8230; I think you&#8217;ve sufficiently convinced me to reconsider</p>
<p>My big question on the Firewire harddrive is &#8211; should I be concerned about having my harddrive and audio interface daisy-chained into a single Firewire port?  Will this cause any latency or instability issues?</p>
<p>Thanks again<br />
/dan</p>
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						<p>It really depends on the interface. The RME Fireface interfaces (400 and 800) both have built-in capacity to negotiate control of the drive, afaik, so those interfaces would definitely be your best bet. Your mileage may vary with other interfaces. I&#8217;ve found M-Audio interfaces basically useless when shared on the same firewire port as a hard drive (and they make a point of stating this on their FW devices). Sad but true&#8230; In fact, I&#8217;m having to run a sample drive off a USB interface for this very reason, when using my Macbook. And guess what, it works like crap! ;-) <br />
But for now it will have to do.<br />
Ultimately, it will depend on exactly how hard you&#8217;re working the drive.</p>
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					<dc:creator>Chris Muir</dc:creator>

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						<p>At 2:18 PM -0600 8/15/07, Dan wrote:<br />
>My big question on the Firewire harddrive is &#8211; should I be concerned about having my harddrive and audio interface daisy-chained into a single Firewire port?  Will this cause any latency or instability issues?</p>
<p>The only issue I know of is that FW400 can bring FW800 drives down to FW400 speeds if daisy chained.</p>
<p>I think that a reasonable number of daisy chained devices are fine, although short cords should be used. I regularly have 3-4 devices daisy chained. On my desktop machine I have a FW Hub, which makes re-configuring somewhat easier, but is totally optional.</p>
<p>-C</p>
<p>&#8211; <br />
Chris Muir           | &#8220;There are many futures and only one status quo.<br />
<a href="mailto:cbm@well.com">cbm@well.com</a>         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,<br />
<a href="http://www.xfade.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xfade.com</a> |  and radicals always argue.&#8221; &#8211; Brian Eno</p>
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						<p>I use a Saffire Pro connected to a Firewire hub, with 2 FW drives  <br />
also hanging off thehub, and it&#8217;s worked fine so far. I&#8217;ve also used  <br />
a FW drive chained to a Firebox, and that has also been fine (6 track  <br />
simultaneous record in Cubase SX).</p>
<p>David</p>
<p>
On 15 Aug 2007, at 22:34, Chris Muir wrote:</p>
<p>> At 2:18 PM -0600 8/15/07, Dan wrote:<br />
>> My big question on the Firewire harddrive is &#8211; should I be  <br />
>> concerned about having my harddrive and audio interface daisy- <br />
>> chained into a single Firewire port?  Will this cause any latency  <br />
>> or instability issues?<br />
><br />
> The only issue I know of is that FW400 can bring FW800 drives down  <br />
> to FW400 speeds if daisy chained.<br />
><br />
> I think that a reasonable number of daisy chained devices are fine,  <br />
> although short cords should be used. I regularly have 3-4 devices  <br />
> daisy chained. On my desktop machine I have a FW Hub, which makes  <br />
> re-configuring somewhat easier, but is totally optional.<br />
><br />
> -C<br />
><br />
> &#8212; <br />
> Chris Muir           | &#8220;There are many futures and only one status  <br />
> quo.<br />
> <a href="mailto:cbm@well.com">cbm@well.com</a>         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,<br />
> <a href="http://www.xfade.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xfade.com</a> |  and radicals always argue.&#8221; &#8211; Brian Eno</p>
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chain, even though it has a loop-through FW port on it. Go figure. I  <br />
regularly run a Digi 002 off a FW hub without problems.</p>
<p>ean</p>
<p>
On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:</p>
<p>><br />
> Thanks guys for all your input&#8230; I think you&#8217;ve sufficiently  <br />
> convinced me to reconsider<br />
><br />
> My big question on the Firewire harddrive is &#8211; should I be  <br />
> concerned about having my harddrive and audio interface daisy- <br />
> chained into a single Firewire port?  Will this cause any latency  <br />
> or instability issues?<br />
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						<p>Thanks to everyone for the input.  I&#8217;m stuck with my MAudio Firewire 410 and my MacBookPro with only a single FW400 port so it looks like I have some tough choices to make.  I&#8217;d love to throw down for an RME interface but it&#8217;s not really in my budget right now.  I wonder, Firewire drive daisy-chained to the unreliable 410, or a harddrive connected to an unreliable USB2 connection.  Tough choices&#8230;</p>
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						<p>Plan B: audio interface on the internal firewire port, external FW drive on a firewire expresscard. FW800 if you want, much faster than even FW400. </p>
<p>I use a FW800 cardbus card to get an additional FW800 port on my ageing titanium powerbook, and run an RME Fireface on the internal FW400 port. It&#8217;s been really really really solid.</p>
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