tedor

I want to make a sound that sounds like a spiral that start from the center and moves out from there. 

I think it would be to easy to use only panning (L-R), frequency (Up - Down) and volume for the third axis. 

I want to make a sound that sounds like a spiral that start from the center and moves out from there. 
 I think it would be to easy to use only panning (L-R), frequency (Up - Down) and volume for the third axis. 
 Is there a better way to do it?

sound-in-space

On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:48 AM, tedor wrote:

> I wonder if anyone could give me a tip!

> I want to make a sound that sounds like a spiral that start from 

> I think it would be to easy to use only panning (L-R), frequency 

> (Up - Down) and volume for the third axis.

>
> Hello MAx users,
>
> I wonder if anyone could give me a tip!
>
> I want to make a sound that sounds like a spiral that start from  
> the center and moves out from there.
>  I think it would be to easy to use only panning (L-R), frequency  
> (Up - Down) and volume for the third axis.
>  Is there a better way to do it?
>
> Thank you!
>
> tEd


...by the way there are a lot of things that concern with acoustic 

as what you imagine is sometime not what you are going to hear... 

i was creating a cube with sounds, and tried to move the faces of the 

cubes toward and backwards from my head, but it's really difficult to 

give the sensation of "a wall" with sounds.

It's not easy to create with sound a very clear image, limited in space.

...by the way there are a lot of things that concern with acoustic  
illusions that you may consider before,
as what you imagine is sometime not what you are going to hear...  
(diane deutsch etc...)
i was creating a cube with sounds, and tried to move the faces of the  
cubes toward and backwards from my head, but it's really difficult to  
give the sensation of "a wall" with sounds.
It's not easy to create with sound a very clear image, limited in space.

hmmm.... thank you for that Tom , I am trying to figure it out how this external works.. 

I think it needs more channels (8) as I wanted to use. I was thinking about how to use spacial sounds within stereo channeling. I hope it is possible somehow... I am on it...

hmmm.... thank you for that Tom , I am trying to figure it out how this external works.. 
 I think it needs more channels (8) as I wanted to use. I was thinking about how to use spacial sounds within stereo channeling. I hope it is possible somehow... I am on it...

...sorry, it works in a way now...
I am investigating it, cool!


I think I need at least four channels for this object... I found something about Ambisonic UHJ format. Do you think there is something for this object, so the sound movements can be still recognizable in stereo?

On Feb 3, 2008, at 10:39 PM, tedor wrote:

>
> ...sorry, it works in a way now...
> I am investigating it, cool!
>
>


there are binaural techinques i'm studying with a guy that developed 

that convert whatever ambisonic format to binaural

with buffir objects and cutting frequencies wit different head models...

and its to be used with headphones , not in stereo

On Feb 3, 2008, at 11:13 PM, tedor wrote:

> I think I need at least four channels for this object... I found 

> something about Ambisonic UHJ format. Do you think there is 

> something for this object, so the sound movements can be still 

there are binaural techinques i'm studying with a guy that developed  
the algorithm for that
that convert whatever ambisonic format to binaural
with buffir objects and cutting frequencies wit different head models...
but it's a bit complicated...

>
> I think I need at least four channels for this object... I found  
> something about Ambisonic UHJ format. Do you think there is  
> something for this object, so the sound movements can be still  
> recognizable in stereo?
>
> cheers


ok, I would be also happy to use this object with binaural technic as well, I meditate with binaural beats... so it is possible I learn some new aspects of it...

... could you send me a link, please, where I can download this binaural object, what works with the aforementioned ambisonics external?

... if I can not hear spacial sound in the stereo speaker, I will use the headphones...:)

Quote: tedor wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 16:13

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> I think I need at least four channels for this object... I found something about Ambisonic UHJ format. Do you think there is something for this object, so the sound movements can be still recognizable in stereo?

For full-sphere Ambisonics you need four 

transmission channels and six, preferably 

eight, speakers. This means that you need 

a decoder to convert from one to the other.

Two-channel UHJ is a way of matrixing three 

of the four transmission channels down into 

two stereo-compatible channels. (This can 

transmission channel which is discarded is 

Z which is used to encode height. So two-

channel UHJ is horizontal only. Horizontal 

There is a four-channel version of UHJ which 

includes height, but if you are going that 

For more information on UHJ please see the 

http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/Ambisonic/faq_latest.html#SECTION7

Quote: tedor wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 16:13
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> I think I need at least four channels for this object... I found something about Ambisonic UHJ format. Do you think there is something for this object, so the sound movements can be still recognizable in stereo?
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For full-sphere Ambisonics you need four 
transmission channels and six, preferably 
eight, speakers.  This means that you need 
a decoder to convert from one to the other.

Two-channel UHJ is a way of matrixing three 
of the four transmission channels down into 
two stereo-compatible channels.  (This can 
not be done without loss.)  The one 
transmission channel which is discarded is 
Z which is used to encode height.  So two-
channel UHJ is horizontal only.  Horizontal 
only is not what you originally wanted.

There is a four-channel version of UHJ which 
includes height, but if you are going that 
route you might as well use the raw 
transmission channels (which are called 
B-Format).

For more information on UHJ please see the 
Ambisonic Surround Sound FAQ (which I 
created and maintain):  
http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/Ambisonic/faq_latest.html#SECTION7

I think I will have to read your FAQ. Everyday I understand more and more, whereby I see how much I need to learn...

thanks, I will try at least to find a why with binaurals...

I think I will have to read your FAQ. Everyday I understand more and more, whereby I see how much I need to learn...
thanks, I will try at least to find a why with binaurals...
all the best, 

you can also get some neat effects with 'soundhack' (free, Mac only),

GRM tools doppler (not free, Mac and PC) and if you search 'doppler

vst' or something like that you should find some usable stuff.

And if you want to read some other cool stuff you can check out

> I think I will have to read your FAQ. Everyday I understand more and more, whereby I see how much I need to learn...

> thanks, I will try at least to find a why with binaurals...

you can also get some neat effects with 'soundhack' (free, Mac only),
GRM tools doppler (not free, Mac and PC) and if you search 'doppler
vst' or something like that you should find some usable stuff.

And if you want to read some other cool stuff you can check out
'holophonics' and 'wave field synthesis'

On Feb 4, 2008 10:28 PM, tedor  wrote:
>
> Dear Martin,
>
> I think I will have to read your FAQ. Everyday I understand more and more, whereby I see how much I need to learn...
> thanks, I will try at least to find a why with binaurals...
> all the best,
>
> tEd
>
>


> you can also get some neat effects with 'soundhack' (free, Mac only),

On the PC side, I would recommend Adobe Audition (formerly known as Cool

Edit Pro). Apart from VST and DX compatibility, it has tons of high quality

built-in effects and excellent restoration tools. Doppler is also somewhere

in there. The best part is that it is both editor and multitrack DAW in one.

> Hi,
>
> you can also get some neat effects with 'soundhack' (free, Mac only),

On the PC side, I would recommend Adobe Audition (formerly known as Cool
Edit Pro). Apart from VST and DX compatibility, it has tons of high quality
built-in effects and excellent restoration tools. Doppler is also somewhere
in there. The best part is that it is both editor and multitrack DAW in one.
IIRC, educational price is a steal.

Thanks for sharing this information. It is a useable information. I love the post.

Sound in space