sound quality in Live ?

Jul 15, 2009 at 7:08pm

sound quality in Live ?

hi,

i used live from version 1.0 – 4.0 and the reason way i stop using live was the sound quality. i always wondering way i should record with shoeps mics and sounddevice recorder to play later those sounds in live. i rebuild the idea of live in max just whit ONE big diverent: to be able to loop sound without any “warp” modes.

is this now diverent ? or is live stil (more/less) made for elektronic/techno/loop/beat music ?

wondering ?

pe

#44740
Jul 15, 2009 at 7:52pm

Although sound file playback in Live’s session view may be “warped” by default, you may change the options of any clip to have a normal playback.

#161003
Jul 15, 2009 at 8:17pm

live evolved a lot since the days of version 4, i think i first knew ableton live from version 3, and did think the audio was not the best.
but now it has changed very much. much better.

i would, in all honesty, try out the demo, for a first hand look. i love live now, use it for practically everything, except when max is needed Wink

but i suggest, try it out and see for yourself. i would think it would be step up from what you had before
Smile

#161004
Jul 15, 2009 at 9:16pm

but is it possible now to loop files without “warp” modes (in the session view). just simple loop, not synced but in orginal sound quality ?

#161005
Jul 16, 2009 at 1:39am

For multiple definitive answers you could try the Ableton forum.
But as far as I know there is a new module called “looper” which (oddly enough) loops audio. This can be done independently of the bpm if required.

#161006
Jul 16, 2009 at 6:47am

You can use repitch mode and you wont get any warping artifacts. also, if you have a warped clip at the same bpm as the global bpm wapring for that clip is disabled – i believe.

#161007
Jul 16, 2009 at 8:57am

as stated before, in order to avoid any warping artifacts, I would switch off warping, use repitch mode or the new super duper complex mode. Using this, you could resample with the specific tempo.

I guess, the main use for the looper is not to avoid warping artifacts but rather to allow for overdubbing. Point is that the looper is kind of a “wrapper” for sound which doesn’t allow for the same features as a session clip.

so far my understanding, but I am not the most avid Live user, the ableton forum should be your first stop.

nick

#161008
Jul 16, 2009 at 9:02am

thanks,

repitch as the name says pitch the file. just looping files independet is still not possible ?

i like the idea of live<>max a lot but if there is still this limitation (in experimentel music you don’t need all the time some synced samples) maybe C74 can help ableton to put this in the next release (i was asking years ago for this in the ableton forum.)

#161009
Jul 17, 2009 at 9:01pm

One way to go is to not Warp, thus not Loop, but to use Follow Actions. Set the delay to the duration of the clip (that’s the painful part) and set the follow action to “Play again” (or more fun play a random file in the group).
Again, Ableton specialists are surely on the Ableton forum, and there might be more elegant ways to do this, but that works.
J-F.

#161010
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:01am

Hi,
if you want to loop an audio file in Live you have to activate Warp.
Warp brings artefacts, unless you do this:
- drop the file on a free slot
- engage warp
- choose a simple algorythm like beat
- right click on the start of audio waveform then select “warp from here at song’s tempo”
Sorry I am 100% sure of exact sentence because I don’t have Live running on my iPhone (yet) but you I am sure you will Finder the right menu.

Doing this way will places warp markers at locations warp engine won’t try to “time stretch”.

It works fine for me

let me know if you have trouble doing this.

Olivier

#161011
Jul 18, 2009 at 8:33am
MikEyhaTsis wrote on Thu, 16 July 2009 00:47
You can use repitch mode and you wont get any warping artifacts. also, if you have a warped clip at the same bpm as the global bpm wapring for that clip is disabled – i believe.

This is true for all algorithms except the two complex ones, they process also when tempo is unaltered

#161012
Jul 18, 2009 at 6:01pm

here´s a different approach:
load your sample into simpler and loop it. create a midiclip with one note (C3 will play the original pitch) with any duration, set the clip start to the note start, set loop.start a bit later, set loop.end before the end of the midinote. start the clip and it will loop inside the note infinitely.
this has e.g. the advantage that you can use the ADSR of simpler to add smooth fadein/out to your loop
hth
p

#161013
Jul 18, 2009 at 10:04pm

Something is overlooked in many of these conversations which I think is important. a few years ago there was a thread “The Sound Of Max”

people fell into two camps
A) Max has a buffer object, it can sound like anything. it’s a clean slate.
B) The sounds I fall into a certain aesthetic that I’m not sure I like.

For me, it has nothing to do with any over riding aesthetic or tonal quality. It has to do with being given a set of tools and how the tools guide you.

Yes I know about arrangement view and I still feel pretty guided away from the way I prefer to work. MaxForLive might be able to help that and I’ll probably buy it anyway just because I’m a whore but that’s what I’m sad about.
The workflow is conducive to other things than my current DAW and they really aren’t compatible at all I’ve spent thousands upon thousands of dollars getting my tools just right and now they have gone from a personal artistic mecca to aggrandized tape machine.

I know the reality of the situation but given some time to get used to it, I still feel almost depressed about the whole thing. Believe it or not I kind of went through the stages of grief.

I look forward to working in new ways though. I hope things get better in the stagnant DAW industry. and I sincerely hope someone, one day, brings tools which let me run audio through max from my 30,000+ dollar investment.

#161014

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