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spatialization out of a mono speaker (OT)

June 29, 2007 | 9:36 pm

Just wondering, has anyone had any experience with spatialization out of one speaker? I seem to remember hearing about this back in college, but can’t find any information on it now. Maybe it’s the hidden tutorial 666? Thanks,

David


June 29, 2007 | 9:51 pm

You mean like Gordon Monahan?

http://www.gordonmonahan.com/speaker_swinging.html

b

On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:36 PM, David Whitely wrote:

>
> Just wondering, has anyone had any experience with spatialization
> out of one speaker? I seem to remember hearing about this back in
> college, but can’t find any information on it now. Maybe it’s the
> hidden tutorial 666? Thanks,
>
> David


barry threw
Media Art and Technology
http://www.barrythrew.com
me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
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And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
-Robert Browning


June 29, 2007 | 9:57 pm

Spatialization out of one speaker? Physically impossible. You could make
the sound move up or down by simulating the reflection off the listeners
shoulders, which is hard and doesn’t always work. You can make the sound
move to the distance with reverb and filtering, which is pretty easy. Other
than that, I’m at a loss. Check Computer Music Tutorial or email back.
KEith

On 6/29/07, David Whitely wrote:
>
>
> Just wondering, has anyone had any experience with spatialization out of
> one speaker? I seem to remember hearing about this back in college, but
> can’t find any information on it now. Maybe it’s the hidden tutorial 666?
> Thanks,
>
> David
>


June 29, 2007 | 10:30 pm

barry,

woah, this definitely looks cool. I was thinking about this on a software level, though. Thanks,

david


June 29, 2007 | 10:35 pm

I regretted typing "physically impossible" as soon as I sent it…

On 6/29/07, barry threw wrote:
>
> You mean like Gordon Monahan?
>
> http://www.gordonmonahan.com/speaker_swinging.html
>
> b
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:36 PM, David Whitely wrote:
>
> >
> > Just wondering, has anyone had any experience with spatialization
> > out of one speaker? I seem to remember hearing about this back in
> > college, but can’t find any information on it now. Maybe it’s the
> > hidden tutorial 666? Thanks,
> >
> > David
>
>
> –
> barry threw
> Media Art and Technology
> http://www.barrythrew.com
> me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
> 857-544-3967
>
> And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
> That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
> -Robert Browning
>
>
>


June 29, 2007 | 10:44 pm

Thanks Keithmanlove,

I’ll keep investigating this and let everyone know. If anyone has the ability to cause a binaural localization out of a mono speaker source using max, i’d be interested.

here’s a related tidbit about localization:

http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/BibWeb/LiDat.acgi?ID=39880

yup, an amazing "head related transfer function" max extension would be pretty convenient.

thanks

D


June 29, 2007 | 11:43 pm

Impossible.

"Bi"-naural. Two.

It is not only physically, but logically, impossible to have
something move through space when there is only one stationary point
source.

b

On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:44 PM, David Whitely wrote:

>
> Thanks Keithmanlove,
>
> I’ll keep investigating this and let everyone know. If anyone has
> the ability to cause a binaural localization out of a mono speaker
> source using max, i’d be interested.
>
> here’s a related tidbit about localization:
>
> http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/BibWeb/LiDat.acgi?ID=39880
>
> yup, an amazing "head related transfer function" max extension
> would be pretty convenient.
>
> thanks
>
> D


barry threw
Media Art and Technology
http://www.barrythrew.com
me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
857-544-3967

And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
-Robert Browning


June 29, 2007 | 11:48 pm

Re: your link;

I’ll eat my words for a second, not impossible I guess.

I suppose you could just feed someone one half of a binaural
recording, but you’d have to plug their other ear…regardless, I
wouldn’t think this would work too well, but hell, I haven’t tried it.

b

On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:44 PM, David Whitely wrote:

>
> Thanks Keithmanlove,
>
> I’ll keep investigating this and let everyone know. If anyone has
> the ability to cause a binaural localization out of a mono speaker
> source using max, i’d be interested.
>
> here’s a related tidbit about localization:
>
> http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/BibWeb/LiDat.acgi?ID=39880
>
> yup, an amazing "head related transfer function" max extension
> would be pretty convenient.
>
> thanks
>
> D


barry threw
Media Art and Technology
http://www.barrythrew.com
me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
857-544-3967

And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
-Robert Browning


June 30, 2007 | 12:28 am

I know you can fake a mono track to sound binaural… but you still need two
speakers… any way to use delays to make it work with one? Maybe use a
mirror or something?
Keith

On 6/29/07, barry threw wrote:
>
> Re: your link;
>
> I’ll eat my words for a second, not impossible I guess.
>
> I suppose you could just feed someone one half of a binaural
> recording, but you’d have to plug their other ear…regardless, I
> wouldn’t think this would work too well, but hell, I haven’t tried it.
>
> b
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:44 PM, David Whitely wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Keithmanlove,
> >
> > I’ll keep investigating this and let everyone know. If anyone has
> > the ability to cause a binaural localization out of a mono speaker
> > source using max, i’d be interested.
> >
> > here’s a related tidbit about localization:
> >
> > http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/BibWeb/LiDat.acgi?ID=39880
> >
> > yup, an amazing "head related transfer function" max extension
> > would be pretty convenient.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > D
>
> –
> barry threw
> Media Art and Technology
> http://www.barrythrew.com
> me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
> 857-544-3967
>
> And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
> That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
> -Robert Browning
>
>
>


June 30, 2007 | 1:27 am

No, you’d just need one speaker. The idea would be that the spectral
change from something being on the other side, or around, your head
would be apparent to just one ear. Delay cues are so strong though,
that I wouldn’t think your ability to localize would be very good
without some practice.

David, in answer to your question, an HRTF object isn’t needed.
There used to be free HRTF files available from MIT, google search,
and just convolve those with the input signal.

b

On Jun 29, 2007, at 5:28 PM, keith manlove wrote:

> I know you can fake a mono track to sound binaural… but you still
> need two speakers… any way to use delays to make it work with
> one? Maybe use a mirror or something?
>
> Keith
>
> On 6/29/07, barry threw wrote:
> Re: your link;
>
> I’ll eat my words for a second, not impossible I guess.
>
> I suppose you could just feed someone one half of a binaural
> recording, but you’d have to plug their other ear…regardless, I
> wouldn’t think this would work too well, but hell, I haven’t tried it.
>
> b
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:44 PM, David Whitely wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Keithmanlove,
> >
> > I’ll keep investigating this and let everyone know. If anyone has
> > the ability to cause a binaural localization out of a mono speaker
> > source using max, i’d be interested.
> >
> > here’s a related tidbit about localization:
> >
> > http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/BibWeb/LiDat.acgi?ID=39880
> >
> > yup, an amazing "head related transfer function" max extension
> > would be pretty convenient.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > D
>
> –
> barry threw
> Media Art and Technology
> http://www.barrythrew.com
> me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
> 857-544-3967
>
> And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
> That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
> -Robert Browning
>
>
>


barry threw
Media Art and Technology
http://www.barrythrew.com
me(at)barrythrew(dot)com
857-544-3967

And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man,
That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star.
-Robert Browning


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