Cycling 74 » Topic: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback) http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/feed Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:14:28 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-61616 <![CDATA[Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-61616 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:56:19 +0000 farfisavox Hi guys, I’m very new to this type of coding although am fairly proficient in Max/MSP.

I’ve been trying to add a feedback(per bin) control to the Spectral Delay example shipped with Gen.
I’ve tried messing about inside the Gen patcher with ‘The Garden Of Earthly Delays’ tutorial as my inspiration using [mix] and [history] objects but implementing feedback in this way in the frequency domain is causing me problems, (ie. this way it’s feedback across all bins. also I get audio driver overloads due to not knowing what values to clip and fold between in the frequency domain – folding -1 1 seems to weaken the signal significantly).

Could anyone give me some tips on implementing this?
I think the Spectral Delay is a very interesting effect but is just a little bland to my ears without feedback.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222400 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222400 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:12:10 +0000 t check out the paper “Spectral Delays with Frequency Domain Processing” by Kim Boyle. I’m not sure if it deals with feedback though…

Also check out the patch (its not mine)…

The patch is without the feedback but I guess that in the same way that it reads delay times for bins from buffer, it could also read feedback information…

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222401 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222401 Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:35:43 +0000 Graham Wakefield A fortnight later he replies…

Here’s one way to do feedback. I added another parameter buffer for the feedback coefficients, like the delay and amplitude buffers. Inside the gen~ you can see I took the output of the amplitude delay, scaled it by this coefficient (per bin according to the frame index), and used a [delay 2048] to act as a kind of ‘history’ object in the pfft~ world. Because this is a feedback loop, there will be a minimum delay time of one FFT frame in the feedback loop. A bit more fancy patching could compensate for that perhaps. I’ve mixed this back in before the amplitude scaling (‘pre-fader’), but it could be mixed in post-fader if preferred, perhaps with a separate feedback amplitude parameter.

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222402 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222402 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:05:00 +0000 Graham Wakefield Once again, I forgot about the sub-patcher. Try this:

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222403 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222403 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:01:15 +0000 farfisavox Ooh, thank you so much, sounds fantastic.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222404 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222404 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:50:24 +0000 Roman Thilenius another options is to simply have a feedback loop outside the fft. (i am aware of the
limits it has, but it is ok for most situations.)

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222405 <![CDATA[Re: Spectral Delay Example (trying to add feedback)]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/spectral-delay-example-trying-to-add-feedback/#post-222405 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:02:50 +0000 Graham Wakefield More fun can be had by adding a little offset to the delay time in the feedback path, so that it feeds back into a different bin. Swooshy.

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